Where? It dies from lolpen by oneshot from everyone on that br
I mean gun depression.
You mean same as nato tanks? Every other soviet tank has about 4 degrees a sec (like t-90m). That bad as shit.
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Do you even know what lolpen means?
It looks like you dont.
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Yeah, when you shoot without much aiming.
the T-90M also has NATO MBT level degrees/second gun elevation and turret rotation speed.
are you talking about the T-90A?
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Lol pens means regardless how much armor does enemy tanks have you will penetrate every part of his vehicle.
So far, the T-90M is one of the hardest top-tier vehicles I’ve ever played.
It’s completely crippled by the horrendous reload, inability to reposition, inability to reach powerpositions in time, poor gun depression preventing the use of some powerpositions and lack of survivability.
I have no idea why it’s supposedly easy to play? Your opponents aren’t complete idiots, they know to just aim for the LFP, breech or sides and those are generally lethal.
- It actually does have weakspots where the turret ring would be on an M1, as you can see above.
- It has no hull spall liners at all, which are most useful given that neither the M1A2 nor Leo 2A5’s cheeks are penetrable.
- Mobility is actually a slight edge to the M1A2.
- M1A2 has slightly better gun depression.
- M1A2 has 50. cals.
- M1A2 has better thermals.
- Reload rate is a MASSIVE advantage.
- M1A2 has no hull ammo rack.
- M1A2 has larger ready rack.
- M1A2 has armoured protective fuel tanks that are counted as external.
- M1A2 has better hull armour.
That really doesn’t matter at all, both vehicles aim for the exact same areas on the opposing vehicles they face.
The Strv 122 has actual armour which the 2A5 and 2A6 do not, the 122 also has actually useful spall liner coverage unlike the other two.
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Im pretty sure u cant kill Leo 2 with DM13 through turret ring like M1A2/A1:
Spoiler
Correct if im wrong
105mm DM23 vs driver’s hatch:
Obviously it’s not as weak as the M1’s turret ring, but that sole advantage doesn’t outweight the massive advantages the M1A2 SEP has over the 2A5/2A6.
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Depends what scale you go on. 2nd best firepower (type 10 is #1), 4th worst armor wise (Ariete is worst, then type 10, then Leclerc, then abrams) tied with Leclerc for mobility, and tech wise tied for worst with BVM and 122B+ (gen 1 thrm)
The OTOMATIC, TAN-SAM, and Chapparal (isr) are all worse, as is the British M-113 ADATS
The HSTVL is excellent as a light tank for scouting, although not perfect.
Keep in mind that Isreal, japan, germany, and france lack any top tier support vehicles.
The AH-64D is a direct upgrade over the swedish AH-64 and better than the AH MK-1
It is tied for the second best CAS aircraft in the entire game with the JAS-39C (Hu) and F-16 MLU (Be) (#1 is su-25SM3)
Italy has a misserable grind, and only one at all functional MBT. Their AAA suffers in all uses. They have good CAS, but that is their only true advantage (top 3 mbt is nice, but still worse than the 122B+)
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Merkava is considerably worse armor wise than the Abrams too
Ah fair, i see them in game so rarely i had forgotten they were as bad as they are
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Abrams second worst top tier MBT
worse armour than challenger 2
Make sure to false flag this again so it can be permanently restored.
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2nd worst top MBT?
Ariete, Leclerc, Challenger, Merkavas, even T-80BVM doesn’t have M1A2’s ammo option with T-80BVM having the “3rd worst” top ammo.
The M1A2 series is still tied with 2A5/6 for capabilities, especially due to the reload.
Abrams fires the best MBT round out of the 2nd best MBT gun.
That and whenever all the maneuverability fixes come to War Thunder tanks, BVM will be less mobile than even SEP2 with its heaviest kit on top of BVM having less armor than T-80U and T-72B3.
The fact you call HSTVL a meme vehicle implies you see 2S38 as a meme vehicle as well assuming you’re consistent in your beliefs with no hypocrisy.
Stating incorrect information about vehicles is not how you seek improvement.
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I hope you didn’t just say AH-64D is better than AhMk1. That’s a joke right?
I agree, but the thing is this game isn’t based on the good player. It’s based on the average player. The average player are the mass majority and they will get far more mileage out of tanks like that than the Abram’s or type10.
Edit: In that regard, the that tier list that a couple of you put out would be much shorter lol if it accounted for that
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I’m curios to see a poll to which set of tanks is considered worse by the community at top tier.
Ariete / Merkavas 4 / Challenger 2/3
Comes down to what you view to make each tank the worse.
Challengers?
- Worst Mobility
- Worst Shell (CR2s)
- Worst overall gun Handling
Arietes?
- Worst Armour
- Worst implementation
- Seriously, why are there 11.7 Arietes
Merkava?
- Worst Modeling
- Worst Lineup
Just rechecked and your right, i had remembered it not having as good of a missile loadout.
Nah wtf? Has one of the best rounds, has one of the best reload rates, great FCS, above average mobility, and mid armour. Its definitely above the Challengers, Merkavas, Arietes, and Leclercs.
No upgrades since 2019? I guess M829A1, M829A2, better thermals, and 5s reload rate doesn’t count I guess.
I’d say there are 4-5 nations with better MBTs than the US out of 11 nations in game so the US is about average.
The ADATS does lack in range but kind of makes up for it with insane maneuverability and the ability to stealth track without radar. It also doubles as a TD.
Its guidance is ok. It’s not as bad as the TOWs and their guidance is similar to the Kornets, they’re pretty reliable. Their damage is good, I mean its a giant missile and you can fire all 8 of them without reloading.
Its not the most consistent tank in terms of post pen but its definitely better than the BMP-2M IMO, the HSTV-L is faster, better depression, better survivability, can somewhat aim for weakspots and doesn’t rely on missiles which mean instant reaction. The CV90120s are for sure better.
The F-16C is one of the best CAS in the game along with the F-16AM. There are no other planes that can carry 6 x AGM-65Ds, 2 x Paveways, 4 x AMRAAMs, and a TGP the single best multirole loadout in the game right now.
This doesn’t explain the 30% win rate at all. The US is above average and yet they have 30% win rate, the problem lies within its players. There are too many premium players exaggerated by the Clickbait sale.
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Nah Ah-64D is the worst top tier heli in the game.All Apaches are very overtiered and they literally can’t fight back against Vikrs, Spikes or PARS3. Ah-64D shouldn’t even be top tier. Israeli AH-60 with 16 Spikes is at 11.3. The only Apache worth playing is the AhMk1 since it has Starstreaks so it can at least counter other helis within 7km and SPAAs.
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This thread just went as expected, people hating the US for geopolitics and metagame reasons, and people also resorting to exaggeration to overglorify Abrams strengths or to put it as ‘the worst MBT’.
One thing that i can applaude to almost anyone except blatant haters is that y’all managed to keep the thread reasonably away from getting locked after really heated arguments in favor and against, so that’s a subtle improvement around the topic.
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