Is US top tier too weak

I agree.

I hate it when people claim that “it’s the second worst MBT” as much as when people claim that “it’s the second best MBT”.

It’s just… an absolutely, average middle ground. It’s not great, nor is it terrible. It has strengths, and it has weaknesses…

The balance issue comes when there are many tanks already (Leopard 2A7HU, Leopard 2A7V, Strv 122B+, Strv 122B PLSS, Strv 122A…) that have as many strengths and even more… without any weaknesses at all; and when other tanks have way more strengths than weaknesses.

And regardless of balance, the truth remains that many objective issues the Abrams tanks have are caused by artificial nerfs and mismodelling that, as in every other tank, need to be addressed, no matter whether it would have a small or a big impact on its performance.

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Ask for better Abrams Turret Ring model

Angry WarThunder Community

Ask for better 2A7V / VT4A1 UFP model

Universal Praise and agreement

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You’re going to have to show this universal agreement because I don’t remember agreeing to either of them.

False flag this again so it can be permanently restored.

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I made a meme about that some days ago lmao

abrams

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I remember being told off by some US mains for posting memes before because the war thunder forum is serious business so I’m going to have to ask you to refrain from posting such material and devaluing the intrinsic value of this thread.

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What value?

Any attempt at giving any potential value to this thread is taken away every time someone comes in screaming “skill issue” and pretending like there’s no issues to address regarding the Abrams because “if it’s not OP it’s because of noobs in Click-Baits and U.S mains being bad”.

These threads are made with genuine intent to achieve needed improvements by having legitimate concerns and issues addressed and they always, ALWAYS end up being spammed by the same few users who want to keep the U.S down.

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Not even about the addon armour. 2A7V and VT4 UFP dont auto bounce shells like the Abrams does when over 82°

ztz is the worst methinks. worst reload innacurate armor and model bad shell

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Every abrams skill issue thread is precious.

We’ve already established in this thread that the abrams is the second worst top tier MBT.

Nothing more to it.

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I was considering putting the ZTZs in there but if the rumors are true then ZTZ getting model overhaul with this upcoming update.

ZTZ are let down by reload and current bad model. But have outstanding mobility (at least on paper).

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Only you and Stray believe the Abrams are “Second worst mbt” meanwhile literally everyone else has an understanding that the Abrams are a good average MBT.

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It’s just an easy way to categorically deligitimaze perfectly valid concerns; ignore these, pretend like everyone here unreasonabily believe that “it’s the second worst MBT” just because 1 or 2 users said it, and move on. Almost a strawman, if not because someone actually said it, somehow. But still a strawman to use 1 or 2 users’ words to delegitimaze an entire playerbase and a whole family of vehicle’s real issues.

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Casino is just here to troll and derail. Ignoring those kinds of users usually gets them to leave.

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Im hijacking this thread, Ariete has best armour in game. More then T90M

I said it so therefor thats what everyone else believes.

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meanwhile literally everyone

And yet I have seen more people than Stray claiming the abrams is the worst or around about the worst MBT without the slightest hint of sarcasm.

So I guess that isn’t “literally everyone else”.

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Look, look;

Someone said Ariete has the best armour in the game; therefore, now we should go around and tell all Ariete players that Ariete has no legitimate issues and that it does not need any kind of fixes, corrections or re-balancing.

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Didnt know that multiple people disagreeing with Stray’s left field “Second Worst MBT” take meant that everyone on this thread unilateral agree with it.

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Cool strawman.

Doesn’t change the number of people I have seen genuinely claiming that the abrams is the worst/among the worst MBTs in the game.

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So a handful of people is now “literally everyone else”? Boy the population must’ve rapidly shrunk when I was not looking.

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The strawman is taking the nonsensical points of exactly 1-2 people as an excuse to delegitimaze the valid concerns of thousands of players.

That’s like saying that all people from certain race are robbers because you once saw one of them robbing.