Is that so? I wonder whats all these then…
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I can even accept the Leopard just shruging the Hellfires off its armor… guess I will have to manually aim for weakspots despite using a presumably anti-tank top-attack missile with 1200mm of pen…
But when I hit the Pantsir, and only the driver died… I burst out into uncontrollable laughter lmao.
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2a7, 122 has 1200+ CE in this part
if missle hit like this.
And hellfire sometimes love to do dive before hit for some reason instead of just hitting from top as it should. I still can't understand the principle by which it chooses to dive or not. I couldn't find any pattern at all.
Plus Leopards in general are the most survivable tanks against helicopter’s atgm. Especially sweden 122. Hate them.
With pantsir, it’s just a gimmick of the 2 section trucks. It’s the same with the flarak if you hit the driver’s cab from side. Missile don’t have enough tnt to overpressure another section. This is more noticeable with the pantsir because of the larger distance between sections.
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This is the main issue right now. In this Leopard’s case, the missile should have hit its roof and top; not the front of the glacis.
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You claimed:
And now you’re trying to twist your words to get out of this situation.
Accept that you made a mistake and you should’ve been more spesific.
Its not so hard buddy.
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I really wouldn’t say there’s a big lethality difference between Heli ATGMs, as far as post pen effects are concerned anyway.
Its completely normal for Leopards to tank your Hellfires with add-on hull armor, i have no problems with that.
Problem is he claimed that Hellfires can one shot any tank in almost every part which is not true.
As for the Pantsir it just straight up bullshit, because no matter which section you hit that paper wheel shouldnt survive under any circumstances.
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Yea but thats not the case isnt it?
What makes Spikes better than Hellfires, or Vikhr’s for example?
One is basically F&F munitions while other one can be manually guided through smoke,has proxy fuze and flies faster than Hellfires.
If post pen was the only thing we should’ve concern then every A2G munitions would’ve been in the same class.
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Like this?
Hellfire for a one-shot is usually just necessary to hit the tank. Almost any part of the tank. But if you encounter a top leopard (2a7,122 only) and your missile hit it at a strictly defined angle in a small area in the front projection, it will absorb the missile.
Although I still don’t understand how this:
But if you meet a top leopard (2a7,122 only) and your missile hits it at a strictly defined angle in a small area in the front projection, it will absorb the missile.
contradicts
USUALLY just necessary to hit the tank. ALMOST any part of the tank.
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Maybe if the hellfires had better guidance and didn’t immediately veer off course every time you turn the laser off or lose line of sight it would be better to work with
Its not that hard. It only becomes an issue on a moving target 8.5km+ away. You just need a lot of practice
Now try it against an Abrams that knows you’re there. ;)
They’ll smoke if they’re on flat ground, or they’ll angle upward a bit.
Misses, which is impressive since AGM-114s are harder to miss than Vikhrs.
I have just stated the fact, You don’t aim there with vikhr rockets.
Isn’t it Your account?
I can’t find any Ka-52 games in GRB or any other mode.
No.
Again, no. There is a small chance that You will miss if the tank is going at full speed and he makes a maneuver at last second.
Even the small altitude allows You to hit the roof.
At least You can really aim it, not like hellfire.
Screanshoots provided in this topic and my personal experience differ.
Same for You actually playing Ka-52 in GRB.
Doesn’t change anything.
Again, You still can hit the roof, not to mention that You can actually still hit the target behind smoke, not like with hellfires.
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None of those shots are missed.
You need to check your eyes.
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Sorry but I don’t care about any account other than the one You are using on forum.
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US rn:
Tanks are good but have another nations that can do better;
Anti air is not great and have another nations that can do better;
CAS is really good but have another nation that can do better (its debatable, but it’s my opinion);
Helis are meh and have another nations that can do better;
Removing the tank point up there, the other 3 points are basically about the same nation
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Have you even tried AKD-9 ? Takes like all 8 to kill NATO MBTs lmao. And it’s not uncommon for PARS3 to take like 6 missiles to kill T-90M because 3 of them will hit the machinegun or turret cheek and the rest do piss poor damage anyway. At least Hellfires are playable now, with Vikhrs still being the meta
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US objectively sucks because:
Abrams is the 2nd worst top tier MBT just behind the Challengers 2&3.
We didn’t get upgrade since 2019! when the M1A2 was released as a counter to the Leopard 2A5 and T-80U because M1A1 was a joke against them.
Since then MUCH more effective MBTs have been added like the 2A7V, Strv 122s, T-80BVM, T-90M, TXK, ZTZ-99 and US only got SEPV1 with better thermals and useless ERA. And then we got SEPV2 which is literally just a downgrade. As a result, there’s 0 good players “maining” US because every other country got more interesting and more capable MBTs.
ADATS: The worst out of all top tier SPAAs. Can’t effectively counter Grippens, Mirage 2000s, SU-25SM3, F-16s, Su-27s or FnF Spikes or Pars 3. Anti-tank capability has also been massively nerfed in terms of janky guidance and poor damage.
Support vehicles (M3A3, HSTV-L): Again, the worst support vehicles. TOW-2B and 2A massively nerfed, in many ways. HSTV-L is a meme vehicle, it can’t even deal with thing from the sides because of the non-existent postpen damage and spall liners. BMP-2M and CV-90s are much better and impactful at top tier.
Ah-64D: By far the worst top tier helicopter. Cant effectively deal with SPAAs like Tigers, AhMk1 and Ka52. Anti-air capability also the worst out of all helicopters - can’t deal with other helicopters and jets unlike helis with Spikes, Pars3, Starstreak and Vikhrs or chinese helis with TY-90.
F-16C: This the only good thing about US top tier. But again, other multirole gen4 jets like Grippen or Mirage 2000 are just as good or even better in some aspects. Not enough to make people wanna play US.
All and all why would anyone play the US, when even nations like Italy are now better thanks to Hungarian 2A7HU, Grippen, AH129D and more fun IFVs/wheeled TDs?
US has been left in the dust in pretty much all categories and it shows (30%WR lol)
Say that again with a straight face as you OSK the arietes turret cheek
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