The reverse speed is the only good thing they have going for them lol. Average firepower, shitty armor, meh survivability.
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Hey guys, just stay away from SPAAs and Light tanks.
Its your fault that light tank cans pen your turret ring, and totally not Gaijin’s fault for making garbage models. But don’t worry, just stay away from light tanks and spaa, if a BMP-2M gets close to you and molested you through your turret ring, just remember should have changed your play style.
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Dont you know? Its always Abrams users fault, not anything else.
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Of course. Every time an Abrams dies to light tank/spaa, its the players fault.
That player instead should have done…
Immediately turn around and drive 2 kilometers away from the LT/SPAA until the autocannon was no longer able to pen the turret ring AND THEN shoot/kill the light tank.
Better yet, after dying to a light tank the Abrams player should immediately go to the hanger and switch to Germany or Sweden use the 2A7V or 122B+ where those tanks don’t have to worry about paper turret rings and instead can frontally face Light Tanks and SPAA without getting molested.
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Exactly, they should also dig some trench in order to hide their lfp so they can be completely immune to enemy tanks as well.
Nothing but Skill issue.
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This has been nothing but enlightening. Abrams players should instead play like a Challenger 2, sit at the closest hill in spawn all game, until they are obliterated through the mantlet or bombed from orbit.
Its the players fault for using the Abrams speed to flank or do anything, its the players fault for encountering a Light Tank in the match.
Just change your play style guys.
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better, when facing a spaa or light tank just alt+f4 and turn off the computer
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not only the best move when playing abrams but also helping on the video game addiction, 2 in 1
I’m gonna ignore the pieces I don’t like because I don’t feel like arguing.
1- I agree with you. The only option you have is to adapt. If you don’t, that’s your own fault. Play to the strengths. Especially regarding armor and etc.
That does not mean it’s not worthy of a fix.
It is.
It very clearly is.
Especially as little as “give the turret neck its frontal protection values.”
That said, players should adapt as it is until things are fixed.
As well, they would still whine if it was invincible as achieved. You can’t please everyone.
However, I think the “real” average US main isn’t so cringe.
I could be wrong, but I don’t expect the world or that others like me will. The turret ring is a fix and then I’m mostly content about Abrams, period.
Most I watch are in a similar boat. They are mostly arguing to fix and make sure an accurate(within game parameters are met) Sepv3 is released instead of another worse side grade. I think most would be satisfied with a turret ring fix as the game stands, like me.
lol truth be said its probably 10x times more aids when you’re dueling leopards on any abrams, the neck is so wide they can simply shoot the sides while not being that exposed
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Hey guys, just stay away from SPAAs and Light tanks.
if you are engaging either within 500m it’s entirely your own fault, you have darts and a LRF, add a little situational awareness and you should rarely ever be in a situation where they can take advantage of you.
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That’s cool man.
This is my main overall point. Even if these changes do get handed down you’ll have the same exact people in this thread putting forth the same exact complaints, asking for more buffs, for more X for less Y. The tank performs like a dream, making it immune to a couple extra autocannons won’t fix your winrates. You need to change the way players employ the vehicle.
Even if this was to change you would still be faced with endless droves of people begging for more stuff, but I already went over that.
There are US tanks that are an absolute shitshow to play (T32/T32E1) but it’s so weird that I don’t see droves of people arguing for giving it X or giving it Y or lowering it’s BR. It gets to a point where I don’t think it’s so much “US Mains” crying but just really bad M1 players who are too busy huffing their own bias to see that the tank is already extremely good.
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There’s a whole thread tor T32 to be lowered in BR.
Tank still wrong, needs to be corrected. I don’t get how thats so hard to understand. People want the 2A7V to get its proper armour even tho its the second/first best MBT depending on who you ask. I don’t see you saying “It won’t change must” about the 2A7V armour problems.
Why does the 10.3 Abrams get to have the proper model yet when asking for a correction for the other Abrams, all attempts are met with just negativity and absolute denial.
If your so against any tanks getting QoL fixes, why didn’t I see you in the Challenger 2 thread for when we were pushing for the Remodel? Or Leclerc threads? ZTZ Model Errors Threads? or any threads for other MBT problems that would be fixed because their incorrect?
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My man, you dont even respond me when i literally prove that you can kill M1A2/A1 by turret ring shooting DM13, you cherrypick every response i do for you while i respond you message by all, you ignore the difference in the turret ring that the 10.3 and other abrams have that i already bring in conversation, you say that dont change anything theses fix but use all your energy to dont bring theses fix live. You cant even maintaing your line of reasoning when it comes to buffs/nerfs/fixs.
One thing is disagree with each other, other is to be dishonest with your intentions (and that i already get)
I guess another user on my ignore list
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My man, you dont even respond me when i literally prove that you can kill M1A2/A1 by turret ring shooting DM53
Yeah I acknowledged it, does that mean I have to tell you about it? personally?
HELLO USER “SELASCO_” I SAW YOUR POST, I ACKNOWLEDGED IT.
It’s like there’s not 5 other MBTs at top tier that don’t suffer from this same exact 50mm turret ring debacle.
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There’s a whole thread tor T32 to be lowered in BR.
okay what about the T95, 76 Jumbo, 75 Jumbo, M60 series, HSTV-L, XM-1, M247 (before it gets Proxy, M103, M47, M48… the list is extensive. but that still doesn’t negate the fact this thread is significantly more populated than those and the sentiment around this vehicle is significantly larger than the aforementioned.
Tank still wrong, needs to be corrected. I don’t get how thats so hard to understand. People want the 2A7V to get its proper armour even tho its the second/first best MBT depending on who you ask. I don’t see you saying “It won’t change must” about the 2A7V armour problems.
Well I don’t think I’ve ever said “It won’t change must” but I don’t think the 2A7V should have it’s armor changed either. There’s no way of knowing what’s correct as everything is all just a total guess. All of these tanks are still heavily classified.
Why does the 10.3 Abrams get to have the proper model yet when asking for a correction for the other Abrams, all attempts are met with just negativity and absolute denial.
Probably because it’s a tank from 1979 and it’s significantly easier to prove it’s armor composition.
If your so against any tanks getting QoL fixes, why didn’t I see you in the Challenger 2 thread for when we were pushing for the Remodel? Or Leclerc threads? ZTZ Model Errors Threads? or any threads for other MBT problems that would be fixed because their incorrect?
Wait so because I don’t partake in other threads that’s an issue? What? There’s a lot of issues with this game but what’s the point of fixing any of these tanks’ minor errors when the game still lacks basic mechanics like FCS, liquid simulation, actual ammo that is accurately modeled, basic physics, basic transmission simulation etc etc.
The stuff you should be pushing for is a change in the matchmaker from 1.0 to 0.7 or a change in how easy it is to spawn in an aircraft, the answer to the thread’s question is still “No, the US is not weak at top tier” no amount of nitpicking armor values to still get reamed by 3BM42 from 1986 is going to change that.
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Its well known that 2A7V hull armour should be equal to its turret armour. This is just a problem with Gaijin’s conservative-ness with NATO Armour.
Was there a documented change in M1 hull turret ring geometry between the different M1 variants?
- If No, the turret ring problem shouldn’t exist
- If Yes, then fair enough
Indeed there are other problems, good thing there are threads for those specific issues or start a thread for those issues.
I would push for those changes…In the proper thread. This is a US thread, not a matchmaker thread.
You’ve dedicated a substantial amount to this Abrams thread to write off the Abrams Turret Ring problem as “Turret Ring won’t change anything, win rates will still be shit”. (Even with a fixed turret ring, win rates will still be bad)
I think most here that have been contributing to this discussion have kept Turret Ring Problem and Win Rates separate from each other.
The Turret Ring fix isn’t going to magically hand wave the US Win Rates. That’s not why people are asking for it. People are asking for it because Its. Wrong. Incorrect. Inaccurate. The physical geometry of the Turret Ring is far more then 50mm, we see this on the 10.3 Abrams, and no one is complaining about that Turret Ring…because it actually works.
While of course many aspects of the game aren’t accurate and thats Gaijin’s fault. They(Gaijin) tout War Thunder as being Accurate/Realistic/Historic. Gaijin chooses when and where they decided to be realistic, or what ever, and in this case, they say vehicles are authentic.
And currently, the Abrams turret ring is not authentic or correct so it should be accurate right?
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CAS they’re absolute monsters, even the F-4E is a complete threat to an enemy team.
In terms of tanks, they’re actually garbage. You could literally give the M1 Abrams indestructible turret cheeks and gun mantlet, it wouldn’t matter, a T-62 from 8.0 can penetrate you frontally with ease due to the turret ring and some solid shots can actually sneak through as well. Any buff or addition wouldn’t matter as that weak spot never changes and you can’t do anything about it. Also, the UFP actually helps the enemy, allowing the shell to bounce up into the turret compartment.
It’s why I stopped playing U.S. top-tier tanks
Funny story, before volumetric shells, tanks as low as the Panzer IV F2 could actually penetrate the turret ring of the Abrams pretty easily at close range and instantly nuke everyone inside. Back when Americans would regularly be on both sides due to mixed battles, I would bring the M56 scorpion and hide in shadows and I could insta-nuke an Abrams from the front and he wouldn’t realize what the heck just happened until he already got hit. SOme small time youtuber known for flipping his lid would do custom battles and I would regularly turn him to Goo with the Scorpion to the point he would kick me from the CB
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Obj279’s 130mm shell can penetrate Abrams turret ring despite bein volumetric Shell….
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