That thing can reverse as quickly as moving forward, so expect it to escape breech/barrel damage most of the time, where the same situation will always kill T-90s/BVM lol
IPM1, you mean Challenger Mk3 with a better engine.
T-80UM2? A Challenger 2 with a worse round, more armor, faster, and without thermals.
I still haven’t seen documents proving this, almost all of the armor on this vehicle is still highly classified. Just like almost every other metric of it. People are also asking for spall liners that don’t exist. Half of the stuff people are asking for don’t provide substantial buffs nor actually fix anything. (M829A3, persistent hydraulics systems, 50mm bulkhead plates) but even with a minor change to the vehicle to make it more “historically accurate” you’re still stuck in a game with arcade mechanics and physics so ultimately it’s a moot point.
But these changes won’t matter because they wouldn’t fundamentally change anything. Adding 150mm to the turret ring is not going to increase your ability to bounce shots from the majority of the rounds fired at you. Adding 50mm bulkhead plates will also not help anything. Even if you do increase the lower plate armor it won’t be enough to stop the latest and greatest rounds when fired at proper angles.
My point is that you can make these little adjustments all you want but it won’t change the fact that the majority of players who use this tank are employing it incorrectly. I see too many people just rushing headlong into gunfire and getting obliterated without a second thought.
If the turret ring does get “fixed” then the main threats stay the same, the gameplay stays the same, the overall experience stays the same. You would not see any real change other than maybe an IFV or two can’t spray you from the turret ring, however now they will target other weakspots and still successfully do some other sort of damage.
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So you do understand, great.
Problem solved.
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Problem solved.
Not really? You’re still going to have the same exact people screaming and crying about being shot through the turret ring? They’ll continue to make threads like this asking if the nation is too weak at top tier (it’s not, it’s one of the most powerful nations at top tier). If your problem was just getting deleted by autocannons I would suggest a shift in playstyle.
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No they won’t, most are not complaining about being side shot. You can ignore them, like I do. If you get flanked by a vehicle, that’s on you. Being disabled from a distance by a weak auto cannon raining at you frontally is not how it should work.
Not to mention I can ASSURE YOU, the majority of US mains with time would tell them to be quiet and fix their play style. I am one, I would. Frontally it should not work out the way it does. It’s like the only thing I and most people I see are asking to be fixed.
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no one is complaining about being side shot.
Well not only is that not true, but every other shell above 40mm is still going through that turret ring from the front meaning that you’re still vulnerable to every MBT in the game.
by a weak auto cannon
What is the parameters for a weak autocannon?
he majority of US mains with time would tell them to be quiet and fix their play style.
You mean the thing I’ve been telling people to do already, crazy. I think the turret ring is a noob trap, the minute you know how to hide it you’re practically the best tank on the field.
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like rush to the side and frontally meet anyone with a headset?
Hard to do when they have Leopard engines all around them.
If youve come to this conclusion, ok, but we, who are asking theses fixs, don’t have this opinion.
And since it won’t change anything for you, I don’t think we have anything to worry about, so lets push theses fixs in the game now.
And if you are right (always have this possibility) then ok, i close my forum account (if it is possible).
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If youve come to this conclusion, ok, but we, who are asking theses fixs, don’t have this opinion.
Disagreement is okay. There is nothing wrong with it.
And if you are right (always have this possibility) then ok, i close my forum account (if it is possible).
I don’t want you to close your forum account because you were wrong on something. That’s not beneficial for anyone.
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Its bc we are asking the same thing so many times and always against, even if concludes that theses changes wont change anything. So just let us get theses “little adjustments”
So, again, if it wont change anything, why against? If is bc ppl will not stop whining? Yea, it will NEVER stop, not US, not GER, not USSR, not [put any nation here]. Ppl will always be whining about something even if they get an invincible tank.
Again, bc i dont think ppl get what we are asking yet: WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR AN INVINCIBLE/OP/HACK TANK.
We are literally asking for theses “little adjustments”
And yeah, we dont need to agree, but since it wont change anything for you, why waste both of us energy if whatever for you (not attacking you, its a genuine question).
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So, again, if it wont change anything, why against?
Because the game is designed so that vehicles are different for a reason. There’s a massive reason why the same guns have different reload rates or the same guns have different ammo. It’s because it keeps the game fresh and it keeps the game balanced (albeit poorly).
On top of this, I think players should be forced to adapt more than they should be coming to the forums begging about such minor changes, to add insult to injury the armor is still classified so even if you do change something it could still be completely incorrect.
Ppl will always be whining about something even if they get an invincible tank.
Yeah even when the M1 got it’s insane reload buff it’s still readily apparent that any amount of fixes won’t quell the screeching.
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Agree, and thats why we ask for thing that wont change its gameplay (at least what I want wouldnt change) and I don’t even ask that much of myself, I just want to play and have, on average, 50% WR
I can’t force the noobs to play better, I can only ask for corrections in Abrams to make it less punitive
Again and again and again you think it wont change anything but still insist in not change. Sorry, but 100% contradictory
Bc instead of fixing what ppl are asking they buff something nobody asked out of the blue? Its good but not what was asked.
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This is not going to happen unless you remove the influx of newly bought premiums who are manned by players with no experience.
But you also need to heavily decrease the ability for aircraft to wipe tanks off the map with impunity which in my experience is the reason for my own deaths in the majority of cases.
But at the same time you need to redesign top tier as a whole and stop forcing these tanks of 100 years in design to play on the same exact maps. The lack of mechanics and QoL features that these tanks need to perform is insulting to say the least.
you think it wont change anything but still insist in not change. Sorry, but 100% contradictory
Well that’s because I believe the tank it’s self is fine from the point of the arguments being presented, change should happen but not in incremental useless armor increases.
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While i strong agree with you here we know it will not change, 11.3 premiums is a thing that gaijin is not willing to take it off, otherwise she would have done it already. Also, other nations that also have 11.3, dont have this low WR. “But more newbies buy click-bait” so or gaijin balance the game knowing this fact or make a better MM that level matters at least, but something must be done.
The other points i dont even have to comment, i just agree on that but not US exclusive problem.
Yes, is a good tank indeed, but, if I had to choose one thing, that turret ring completely sucks, gepard dont even need APDS to pen it, sorry, but totally non sense.
If anything, at least, make it the same as the 10.3 M1:
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gepard dont even need APDS to pen it
Can I get some sauce on this? I’ve been testing this and have yet to see it happen.
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There is spots that are only possible penning if shoting the ring, even sideways:
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So basically that angle ± can pen you, if it was APDS ok, i dont even care, it is in game for this…
10.3, again, already have this problem solved in some degree:
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Yeah but do you have video evidence of this working in game because usually it doesn’t happen in game
Yeah, usually dont happen but happens (dont have video proof sorry, if i get it, i record), my point is that even that can pen, not that this is the main threat of it
Not videos, but i tested it in custom battle:
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Its pretty consistent killing M1A2/A1 in this angle with only DM13
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