Is US top tier too weak

If the Abrams are as good as you claimed how come you couldnt achieve the same performance with Strv-122 family and base M1A2?

Because as I stated that I don’t play top tier seriously, however if you inspect my M1 slick stats you’ll see where I did play top tier seriously at one point. But I’m not using those stats as a representation because the M1 slick is no longer top tier, it’s full upgraded and those stats are now skewed. The tank I’ve been playing the most recently has been the Merkava 2D, would definitely recommend you check those statistics.

It appears that you either statpadded with 4 games or you were just lucky, regardless neither of your claims represents the truth.

I’m going to play a few more games today in my stock M1A2 and see how that goes, if your assumption is true and the tank is bad then I should go down in KDR and winrate, however if I manage to subsist then maybe the issue doesn’t lie within the tank.

If checking your Top Tier Service records means cherrypicking then what are you doing on this thread?

Commenting on a subject I’m not only knowledgeable in but also experienced in. It’s a public forum and disagreeing with you does not equate to derailing, if I was derailing the thread I would be bringing up fixes for other tanks or talking about something off topic, which I am not.

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There’s a reason why I instantly perma-muted him the second the new Forum itteration popped up.

That tracks, i’ll keep that in mind.

What year did this go into service?

Never Said its bad, stop twisting my words.

Judging your Service record on other tanks none of those claims would matter.

Is that the reason why all those were people arguing with you?

You brought up same thing over and over again while bring nothing new to table, seems to me like its pretty much dreailing.

Never Said its bad, stop twisting my words.

So why does a good tank need buffs? Doesn’t make sense.

Judging your Service record on other tanks none of those claims would matter.

It definitely would considering some of them are M1s, some of them were once top tier, and in most cases you’ll notice I perform rather exceptionally when I want to. In fact you’ll notice that in a similar vehicle (Type 90 B) I manage a 3:1 KDR. You’re cherrypicking by tier and not looking at the full picture.

Also, just finished another game in the M1 SEP V2. 4 kills, no death. Took 3BM42 to the turret ring and only ended up with a yellow ring and no successful penetration. I don’t see how this tank is weak at all.

Is that the reason why all those were people arguing with you?

Well one person here (sartt) is just completely wrong with a few dozen concepts and statements, a few other people have been agreeing with me and some people disagree that the M1 doesn’t need any extra help in different areas. I don’t exactly see disagreement as a negative connotation.

You brought up same thing over and over again while bring nothing new to table

Doesn’t this apply to everyone in this thread?

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Learn the difference between buffs and accuracy.

People want accurate Abrams just like how other nations players asks accurate Challenger 2 mantlet or Ariete’s war kit that can stop 3BM60.

Only 2 of them are Abrams which one of them has 25 percent win rate aka base M1A2 while having less than one K/D ratio.

Not really, you couldnt even achieve 1 K/D ratio in Strv-122, a tank that basically plays itself.

I also have similiar K/D ratio in my Type-90, that record is just average for Type-90’s. It has nothing to do with cherrypicking especially considering your performance on Strv-122(btw its the best top Tier tank in the game).

Good , want to me to clap my hands for you?

Oh look its the “i got saved by rng, but i will claim its because tank has no issues” excuse.

You clearly lack comprehending skills since you brought up same thing countless times already.

Im pretty sure Spanish, RemoveCAS and others are also wrong and you’re the only who knows whats going on(except you dont).

You mean derailing other Abrams threads with other toxic people? Yea you guys are pretty good at this.

Learn the difference between buffs and accuracy.
People want accurate Abrams just like how other nations players asks accurate Challenger 2 mantlet or Ariete’s war kit that can stop 3BM60.

Wrong game if you want accuracy, would try to find a simulator instead of a game that balances on frivolous statistics if I were you.

Only 2 of them are Abrams which one of them has 25 percent win rate aka base M1A2 while having less than one K/D ratio.

Oooh, we forgot about the XM-1, good eye. Not only is my M1A2 still stock but it’s also essentially a carbon copy of the SEP that is currently sitting at 14-0 with a 60% win rate. I’m also pretty sure I played that M1A2 back when it only had HEAT as it’s main ammo, but I could be wrong.

Not really, you couldnt even achieve 1 K/D ratio in Strv-122, a tank that basically plays itself.

Yet I manage 700+ kills to less than 200 deaths in the Merkava, 600+ kills in the Centauro to less than 200 deaths, 3:1 in the Type 90 which you completely ignored to reply to great job trying to deflect that one. Yeah man sometimes people play the game for fun and not to brag, there’s nothing to research at the end of the tree so squadding up with the boys and just foolin around is fun sometimes, but you wouldn’t know much about friends nor fun it seems.

Even if you sort by my most played vehicles you won’t find a single vehicle in the top 25 that even comes close to being negative (Except the R3 T20). I understand you’re looking for a cheap way to try and write me off but you won’t find one in my statistics.

Oh look its the “i got saved by rng, but i will claim its because tank has no issues” excuse.

Yet everyone seems to think that the turret ring is the bane of the tank’s existence, curious. This isn’t the first time this has happened in my games with the M1 so far and I doubt it’ll be the last.

You clearly lack comprehending skills since you brought up same thing countless times already.

Let’s see… Thread title… Is US top tier too weak… hmm… currently playing a US top tier tank, managing a perfect KDR and a 60% win rate leading me to answer the thread’s question directly… sounds to me like you’re just upset that I’m on topic? which is… weird?

Im pretty sure Spanish, RemoveCAS and others are also wrong and you’re the only who knows whats going on(except you dont).

cool headcanon I guess? doesn’t really negate the fact that disagreement is an okay thing and there’s nothing wrong with it.

You mean derailing other Abrams threads with other toxic people? Yea you guys are pretty good at this.

“You guys” Did you sign up for a team? You got a roster? You think people are out to get you? Who is “you guys” other than just people that disagree with you. Unless you’re full on for supporting one set of changes you’re suddenly toxic, derailing and apart of a secret society lmao

I get you’re emotional because you’re definitely more dead set on attacking me than refuting my points which I don’t presonally mind right, but if it makes you feel any better I think the US does deserve a better ground based anti air system and that aircraft should be a challenge to properly emply in ground battles.

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Is that the reason why Russians and Sweden’s gets their tanks historical (actually Russians T series has overperforming base hull armor) while other ones doesnt?

Also Gaijin itself claims this game represents real life vehicles with best accuracy, so instead of taking you words i prefer to push accuracy.

I find it very hard to believe.

Couldnt care less, if you cant even achieve 1 K/D ratio in Strv-122 that means you dont even know how to perform with top tier tanks, oh wait your other top Tier tanks also has similiar values which means you actually dont know how to play with them.

I already replied your Type-90 comment, learn how to read properly next time.

Im looking at your top Tier Service record since debate was about M1A2 families, which is a tank family that sits at top tier my clueless guy.

Gee i wonder why, maybe people are tired of getting by killed turret ring to autocannon fire?

Hmm yes in 50 turret ring shots you will bounce or absorb some of them,on other hand i can kill you through turret ring 49 time consistently, just because rng saved your ass once in a while doesnt mean its fine(also since there is no concrete evidence i will take your claim with high suspicions).

Hmm lets see, fails on every other top Tier tanks, managed to get 25 percent win rate with M1A2 while having less than 1 K/D but claims they are perfectly fine.

Seems very fishy.

If it was the first time you caused this shitshow then yes it wouldnt be a problem, sadly this isnt your first time.

Not me, just Abrams threads.

Always same people who comes and claims “Abrams are fine you guys need to gid gud” while derailing topics.

Couldnt care less about what you think buddy but unlike you i dont get emotional and start loosing my comprehending Skill on certain topics.

I suggest cool your head instead of replying me 24/7.

Is that the reason why Russians and Sweden’s gets their tanks historical (actually Russians T series has overperforming base hull armor) while other ones doesnt?
Also Gaijin itself claims this game represents real life vehicles with best accuracy, so instead of taking you words i prefer to push accuracy.

Gaijin only claims this game represents real life vehicles as a marketing tactic, anyone who takes more than one look at this game can see otherwise. They might model some vehicles right but all of their other mechanics are incorrect, poorly modeled or just straight up fiction. Oh nevermind, you’re so right, you can repair a thrown track in 30 seconds, gosh silly me.

I find it very hard to believe.

Not my problem.

Couldnt care less

I accept your concession.

Im looking at your top Tier Service record since debate was about M1A2 families, which is a tank family that sits at top tier my clueless guy.

Well if you look at it now it’s pretty stunning considering the highest tank I have unlocked in the M1A2 family sits at a perfect KDR. If a sample size of only 25 games is what you’re looking for, I’m sure I can manage a great KDR over the next 20 in the M1A2 SEP.

Gee i wonder why, maybe people are tired of getting by killed turret ring to autocannon fire?

Not my problem if people expose themselves to gunfire and die to it.

Hmm yes in 50 turret ring shots you will bounce or absorb some of them,on other hand i can kill you through turret ring 49 time consistently, just because rng saved your ass once in a while doesnt mean its fine(also since there is no concrete evidence i will take your claim with high suspicions).

I took 4 shots to the turret ring in 3 different games. Only one penetrated and the enemy was dead to return fire before a follow up could even be administered. I wouldn’t consider the turret ring to be a weakspot in my personal experince.

Hmm lets see, fails on every other top Tier tanks, managed to get 25 percent win rate with M1A2 while having less than 1 K/D but claims they are perfectly fine.
Seems very fishy.

Honestly I wouldn’t call 3:1 failing, nor would I call 2.5:1 failing.

If it was the first time you caused this shitshow then yes it wouldnt be a problem, sadly this isnt your first time.

It takes two to tango feller, I’m not using ad hominem nearly as much as you are.

Couldnt care less about what you think buddy but unlike you i dont get emotional and start loosing my comprehending Skill on certain topics.
I suggest cool your head instead of replying me 24/7.

Now you’re just projecting, really upsetting that someone can both have fun and produce immaculate KDRs upon request I suppose. The tank’s not bad, the majority of it’s players are. Oh and if you say otherwise then you must think that the Tiger and Panther should be 4.7. Because that’s what I’m hearing. Otherwise if you don’t want a response you can leave the thread.

My favorite part about this interaction so far is that you’ve failed to accurately counter my points about the tank being bad yet you keep attacking me as if it’s somehow going to change the fact I just took out the vehicle in question in it’s most bone stock configuration and managed to perform exceptionally. Like yeah I don’t have perfect KDRs, neither do you. If that’s your final point then that’s cool man hope you fix your Kpz-70 statistic.

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Congrats i guess?

Good job, you finally managed to do something rather then repeating same empty claims.

Yet somehow you couldnt do the same thing with best top tier tanks which is very questionable for your actual performance.

Source:Trust me bro.

Cool Story.

Didnt realized you had 3 K/D ratio in M1A2, oh wait you dont.

You have 0,6.

Cool, want a medal for it?

Somehow when it comes to Us its always player but when it comes other nations its because of vehicles.

Gotta say this claim became pretty boring.

Oh yea because every map has hulldown position on every inch where you can dig yourself in, oh wait they dont. Honestly this might be one of the dumbest thing you claimed.

Already making empty accusions i see, sadly this debate is about top tier Abrams and i dont care about Tigers nor Panther.

Typical derailing move, not surprised.

According to who, you? If that is the case than your entire counter arguments failed miserably because thats what i think, as you can see you personal feelings doesnt mean shit.

Didnt realized you were such a emotional person that cant handle little bit argument.

Cool, but one thing you forgot is that Kpz isnt a top Tier vehicle and automatically stays out of this disccussion. Once another thread becomes avaliable for 9.0-10.0br you can use my Kpz record as an evidence there.

Also dont forget that you’re the one who keep bringing lower br’s vehicles as an example into top Tier disccusion,which shows how desperate you are since real debate is about how top Tier Abrams performs against other top Tier tanks.

Come back once you have something that will worth my time, until then dont bother me with your empty arguments.

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“US Top tier ground is trash”

Only compares MBT’s. Completely looks past the light vehicles that are objectively balanced and have variety (hstvl, Bradley, Stryker)

Looks past the CAS abilities, F-16C, F-15C, F-14B, Av8B

I honestly think you cant satisfy US mains

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HSTV-L still haven’t received XM884 or proper XM885.

Other vehicles have not been looked past.

Just because the current discussion (argument) is on the Abrams doesnt mean other shortcomings havent been talked about.

the upgrades started happening at or before 1988. i linked you the news article and copy / pasted the entire newpage.

so in order to even use CAS, you have to get enough points to be able to spawn the plane, then you need enough points to even get the weapons on the plane that you keep complaining about. Guess what russia has to invalidate planes?

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i guess that means abrams is OP then if he performs worse in other tanks at top tier, nerf abrams

1- Look, anyone who has any sense realizes that you getting 10 kills with 0 deaths in 4 games averaged less than 3 per game. Meaning you probably sat off somewhere and waited for kills and weren’t of much use to your team. Those games were won or lost off the backs of probably 50% of your team, not including you. Like how most games are lost or won after the 1Dl’ers are gone. I would imagine the replay would show as much if someone actually went and looked. K/D isn’t really a good metric. It’s a piece of a picture.

It doesn’t mean that IS what you did, but I’d be willing to bet. However, I don’t care enough to go search games and figure it out. The same reason I don’t go look up peoples stats for games, I simply don’t care enough. However, based off your other stats people posted, I’d say yeah it’s probably what you did to pad the stats. Meaning you got the k/d to argue, but we’ll never know what you did to actually get it.

Most games you can sit somewhere and get kills if your whole objective is not to die and simply say the tank is fine I got kills and no deaths. The same could be achieved with tanks from 4.5-6.0 br’s if you just sit off and hit people and don’t add much value to the team in the form of caps, defenses and breaks(which is BS you don’t get points for). Does that mean we should raise those br’s or that their isn’t problems with tanks at top tier? No.

As I said, I’d be willing to bet your kills were obtained from sitting off, not doing much and waiting for who comes by, and the games were won without much help from you.

2- You do also realize you didn’t actually take shots to your turret ring right lol? “I have a 50mm turret ring, I got shot 4x in it and only 1 penned.” No, you in fact did not get shot in the turret ring. Otherwise it would have penned, 50 caliber rounds can almost pen it.

And 3- You’re still using ad hominem and you’re still strawmanning when possible to reframe discussions in a way you can argue. Congratulations that you potentially attack him directly less, but you clearly straw man everyone more.

“US top tier ground is trash”

so they …

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Only compared the ground aspects of …
… US top tier … ground …?

I’m just as stumped as you brother
And of the light vehicles you referenced, you realize only 1 is “top” tier, right?

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It’s over for you, you will never achieve that, I just checked, it’s real! that KDR is infinity!

Not only that he was able to do it in stock form, he also had enough luck on his side, that’s the ingredient of success. He can choose to retire his SEP now and remains undefeated like Floyd Mayweather, I mean top tier sucks donkey ass and most players will be happier without ever getting themselves involved in that nonsense.

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It’s not necessarily an Abrams exclusive issue, but Gaijin raised the standards for end of the line MBTs with the additions of the Strv 122s and 2A7s. So every nation, including the US, should get an appropriate counterpart.

That guy must have either been playing with their brain or monitor turned off lol. Been spading my T-90M in the last few days and 3BM42 has consistently been an easy 1-2 shot kill when hitting an Abrams turret ring.

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https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/239117313454053315

Thats exactly what he did.

He’s using alternate name option so check the guy who’s name is Mikhail685 on that replay.

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Pantsir does not invalidate planes.
It invalidates pilots without brains.

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