so by that logic, we should remoe ther thermals from the T80s, all tanks made before 1986 should have 3BM 46 removed. all 105 Abrams should have M833 with is correct penetration and not this gaijin stupidity they have in-game / Oh and yes there were hull upgrades for the M1A1 B.R.L 2 upgrades, i dont even know where you people get your information from when you make statement saying the abrams hull was never upgraded. That isn’t how General Dynamics or the U.S Army works.
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To be even more accurate, this is the cause of deaths for most mbts
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Should change this image to say Why are you shooting here instead of Unused
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Let’s be honest, how many of our mbt deaths are from getting hit when unangled? I can say based on my experience 17 out of 20 deaths is getting shot at the crosshair spot when I angled slightly (you will always find yourself angled slightly to enemy vehicles), and the apfsds goes through the front track and enter the mid section like hot knife through the butter, all mbts at top tier get the same treatments as there is no armor there lol and that spot is always exposed
Definitely. A large majority of deaths are through the idle wheel + side armour.
I feel like you don’t actually know how to have a coherent discussion, you only can “discuss” when you constantly strawman everything and everyone.
And to get to the “insane” reload rate of the U.S., you ALSO need an ace crew lol.
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Btw guys i was suspected that @ArclightExpress was hiding something, turns out he was just statpadding on his SEP with just 4 games.
His real performance on M1A2
And he’s real performance with best top tier tanks, it appears he was purposely tryhard on his SEP stats while his real performance on top tier tanks is below average.
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Exactly where the arrow is pointing, if shooting there, and not kill, you will disable the hydraulic pump + engine, which will stun lock the abrams that cant even fire back. Most other tanks (leos…) will fire back (if not dead ofc), even the T-series, if it didnt explode the carousel, still can aim and fire the ammo in the canon.
btw, most of my kills is side shots (as you already pointed) or hull weakspot shots, and thats why i cant agree with full impenetrable hull on abrams, but since the spanish already corrected that, i think that the 50mm more on the sides will be “equally” as the lower profile of the hulls on the other mbts.
Just to clarify: That’s not really what I said, I said this is my expectation for how Gaijin would implement the SEP v3.
I have absolutely no clue what the armour of a actual SEP v3 is like and I wouldn’t even guess.
Are you referring to me here?
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But you would agree that the efficacy of the various arrays has probably improved over that of the SEP V2?
I wonder if some of the weight saving will come from swapping to the XM360 from the M256 as was planned for the M1E3, as it apparently saves somewhere between ~300lbs to a Metric ton pending the specific configuration.
Not just ‘‘probably’’, I’m 100% certain that they have improved, and likely quite substantially from the statements I’ve read.
The SEP v3 apparently weighs 66.8 metric tons at fully loaded combat weight, but without any further additions. The M1A2 SEP weighs 62 tons without further additions.
Of course I’m the first to point out that increases in weight =/= increases in armour, but in this case there’s concrete statements regarding the weight increase (partially) coming from the armour.
Both the turret cheeks and lower glacis for certain have been improved, I just have no idea to what degree or even if other aspects such as the mantlet, turret sides, skirts, etc. were improved.
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so by that logic, we should remoe ther thermals from the T80s
Yeah I don’t disagree.
all tanks made before 1986 should have 3BM 46 removed.
Yeah I don’t disagree.
all 105 Abrams should have M833 with is correct penetration
Yeah I don’t disagree. But at the same time also fix M735.
Almost like their method of balancing using ammo while also incorporating fantasy modules for vehicles is absolutely garbage.
i dont even know where you people get your information from when you make statement saying the abrams hull was never upgraded. That isn’t how General Dynamics or the U.S Army works.
I’d love to see a source about the M1 slick or M1IP getting a hull armor upgrade.
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I quite literally said I only played 4 games, I wasn’t trying to hide anything. I took a stock vehicle and performed perfectly. If the vehicle was that bad it would have been incapable for going 10-0. Otherwise I usually just play top tier to jerk off and dick around with friends. If you want to see my serious gameplay you can look at my most played vehicles and not cherrypick. I do plan on playing the SEP some more so expect that sample size with the SEP to increase.
My apologizes for throwing out that out that without additional context from your earlier posts. I could have written that way better and used a more appropriate term instead of accurate.
I do find that given your knowledge on the subject and Gaijin’s conservative nature in regards to MBT armour, your picture is a fairly good estimate on how you think Gaijin will implement the SepV3.
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I feel like you don’t actually know how to have a coherent discussion, you only can “discuss” when you constantly strawman everything and everyone.
Cool contribution to the discussion, I will keep that in mind.
And to get to the “insane” reload rate of the U.S., you ALSO need an ace crew lol.
6.5 seconds on a 120 stock is already pretty insane considering your counterparts are rocking 7.8. My level 150 crew is managing 5.8 seconds without expert.
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Wait, what Soviet MBT produced pre-1986 currently has 3BM-46?
Pretty sure there isn’t a single one.
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I blanket agreed to his ammo remarks because balancing by ammo is a retarded idea, I wouldn’t be surprised if sartt is lying to me yet again for the 10th time in the past 12 hours.
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No worries mate, just thought I’d clarify my point to avoid future confusion (in general and not even directed specifically at you).
There’s a reason why I instantly perma-muted him the second the new Forum itteration popped up.
Regardless, If I remember correctly the dates would be:
- T-80U: 1991-'93
- T-80U-E1: early 2010’s.
- T-80UD: 1987
- T-80UK: '90s
T-80UM2 I’m not certain about.
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If the Abrams are as good as you claimed how come you couldnt achieve the same performance with Strv-122 family and base M1A2?
Strv’s are objectively better than M1A2 family on almost every way while regular M1A2 only lacks Second Gen Thermal sights, yet somehow you couldnt even achieve 1 K/D ratio with those tanks.
It appears that you either statpadded with 4 games or you were just lucky, regardless neither of your claims represents the truth.
Abrams arent trash or anything but they are from bein really good.
If checking your Top Tier Service records means cherrypicking then what are you doing on this thread?
If what you’re claiming is true then debating potantiel historical fixes for Abrams Family shouldnt be your concern to begin with, unless your sole purpose is to derail this topic of course.
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