it should only be on the MLA / MLD, not the -ML or -MF in Russian / German service. It was only later backported to provide “select” -ML / -MF airframes in African / Med-East client’s service that weren’t given access to MLD kits, to buff out the number of useful airframes that they had.
I know there was a Quote from Smin about it on the Old forums declaring that it was provisioned because it was “technically” possible, I just don’t have the screencap to hand at the moment.
They erroneously do in game.
As these are specific configurations of the airframe, Neither the F-5A (US) or F-5C do IRL.
The F-5A brochure [1962] for example makes absolutely no mention of them.
Neither do the F-5C’s seen in the following combat footage.
That’s all TWS+ radars, currently firing ARH missiles outside of their internal tracking range is a coin toss, which means that missiles like the C-4 can’t exploit their range and missiles like MICA over preform because you cannot engage them effectively from outside of their range.
F15E is not the worse variant of the E as well as this it’s not average at all, it’s a 14.3 air craft yet got to stay at 14.0.
The F15A back when it dropped and we got 12.7, the objectively worse su27 was 12.7 while the F15A was 12.3, the only area it was worse was the SARH missiles, in which R27ER was negated due to the huge multipath.
The F18C they have isn’t the worst one?
The F16C they have is also the best for top tier?
It’s still the 3rd fastest, as well as it is fantastic at higher altitudes able to drop decent amounts of missiles without much if any worry.
Mediocre? they’re tied for the best ARH missiles in game, between R-77-1 and them ? unless something magically changed.
A brick? the F15C is the most bricky one and It flies fine when I’ve used it, Just need to get into the actual mood to sit and play it + spade it.
you say that, but the F15E Radar is miles better than the Typhoons it can barely hold a lock at 15kms , it cannot in anyway respond to long range shots fired at it from say F15, su 30, rafale etc.
It is a fantastic plane, lacking a functional radar at those BRs is a death sentence. In which I’ve found myself at the point of bringing 6 x 9M and 4 120s just due to how useless taking more is.
I think people confuse these two quite a lot and start to believe that US is bad while it just gets repetitve.
Can say that about any missile then mate.
How so ?
Im sorry but how is it considerably worse?
They’re good planes yeah not some god like untouchable platforms, If I can beat em in a mig29SMT the damn F15E can be the same BR as them, it’s exactly the same situation as the F15A again.
The Su27’s only gimmick was long range missiles in which were easily Negated by the multipath, it is not cap it is factual of the game back then, as well as Su27 had a worse FM compared to now.
Which barely functioned in slow speeds due to the thrust vectoring causing massive spin out and range loss. As well as this the F15A still had fantastic aim9Ms and decent 7Ms .
The F15A had no right being a lower BR for as long, even SMT was a higher BR (edit : before R77s obviously I mean)
F-15E has 240 countermeasures while the F-15I has 360 countermeasures.
Yeah and the F-15A had no gimmick at all. AIM-7Ms have always been laughably easy to avoid so long range it’s was meh and close range an AIM-9M with no HMD is als just meh.
It’s pretty much another case of decompression and the gripen being so stupidly overpowered.
Rafale beats the shit out of the F-15E at closer range and it can force that onto the F-15E easily.
EFT is better than the F-15E in both close range and bvr.
Thought it was the same in that regard, however, is that the only way it is worse?
Its gimmick was the fact it was extremely fast, accelerating, and had high CM count as well.
work for me between 3 and 10km on average, not a bad range at all, not R27ER range but as I said that was all they had.
Once the wing rip was fixed, which was within what a few weeks if that, the F15A had great close range capabilities, while aim9M wasn’t as high G pulling as the R-73 it still had great stats for it, even then like I said when F15A , su27 and the Mirages were slinging stuff like magics, the thrust vectoring missiles were borked meaning most the time they would spin out of the air. Don’t get me wrong there were some crazy ass shots as well with them, pulling near 180s and such, however this wasn’t the norm at all.
yet the mig29SMT sat at the same BR and the F15A stayed at 12.3? it made no sense at the time and was purely based off of players performance with the plane E.G a bunch of muppets with no idea how higher BR or top tier worked and grabbed an F5C spammed it got an F15A and sucked with it.
hell even in defyns video on the F15J I believe you see peole in the chat saying the 15A was terrible.
It was and is a great plane I really like using the 15A tbh, though the ARh slingers made it substantially more difficult to enjoy, not to mention the majority of F16s getting access to the damn ARH missiles.
block 15 platforms with AMRAAM is brutal at 13.3
Have you used an EFT??? it is not better at BVR, at all, it can barely BVR mate. I’ve had more long range kills in the 29SMT with base R-77s than the typhoon with aim120s.
The radar just does not work properly at all. TWS wont work, it wont even hold a hard lock long enough to guide a missile into pitbull range.
For ground there are some other things like not having access to AGM-130s, AGM-65Gs the APKWS and only having LANTIRN instead of the sniper pod that the F-15E has.
Somebody has to be pretty braindead to die to a 10km 7M unless it’s fired by a third party while the target is occupied.
Like a simple roll is usually enough.
Everytime it got even close to something with a HMD it would just get roflstomped lol. AIM-9M is okay for close range fight but good luck using it against something like a Gripen or anything with HMD that will launch first.
You’ve never had a longer range aim7 kill? generally I’ll hurl them out at about max 10KM and min about 3KM.
Sometimes 2 if im feeling fruity. Generally though the middle range, 5 -7 KM is the sweet spot, I just told you the max and minimum ranges I tend to use them effectively.
So yes, I do get 10KM shots with the Aim7s, well I did, not really using planes with them on them right now bar the 18A which I’ve had an upto 12km kill with a sparrow. Though think the guy was AFK.
Didn’t get rofl stomped when I used it. As well as that, then why play into the planes disadvantage? If it doesn’t get HMD why try use it in a situation where it did, and don’t tell me you always ended up in those situations mate, cause I didn’t. hell even now with ARH missiles everywhere and even more planes with HMD I still don’t play to a disadvantage.
True . Though it does get SPICE and 65D’s while not great still something.
So yeah in GRB the 15E has more effective payloads.
F15E still has that title mate, it had a better radar, more effective radar as well as it flies better at the higher altitudes.
Unless There was a patch updating the radar for the typhoon then no, it cannot BVR better than the 15E.
hell, the MSIP 15C BVRs better than the phoon and I’ve played it for two games xds
EDIT: Speaking of that , any F15C advice?
@Morvran is far more knowledgeable than me when it comes to the radar of the Typhoon.
And how would you know this with 0 games in the F-15E/I?
I have actually used the F-15E, F-15I and EFT and there isn’t a massive difference between their radars after the EFT radar buff/fix.
You will probably claim ghost targets, but guess what? the F-15E/I radar also shows plenty of those.
And seeing as the F-15E/I only have NCTR on full locks and it’s the shitty version as well, have fun dealing with them as your radar won’t be telling you what is what.
Meanwhile the EFT has full NCTR even in TWS (which is something the F-15E/I doesn’t have) so identifying the same amount of ghost targets is easy.
There was a patch that fixed the EFT radar up, hell it was months ago at this point.
Again not true, the F-15E turns into a real brick once you reach the higher speed, meaning you will have a harder time getting into a notch. which is why high speed F-15Es are generally easy kills.
Meanwhile the EFT can go into a notch almost whenever it wants no matter how fast it goes.
Same tier/downtier: do the standard bvr stuff, go high/fast and longer ranges. At least once you have chaff.
Uptier: try the same but more careful and hope that there aren’t too many EFTs/Su-30SMs on the enemy team. Also stay at least 20km away from anything that looks like a Rafale.
Having taken the EF2000 back out after god knows how long.
I will take back the previous comments on it’s radar.
However, the 15E still IMO should not be 14.0, it may not be as capable as either the Rafale or Typhoon, it still sits head and shoulders above the planes at 13.0 it can see.
F-15E is tied for fastest accelerating alongside Typhoon being 129 seconds to mach 1.5 from a 0 velocity start.
Rafale’s the 3rd? fastest. 149 seconds.
And the 4th fastest of all jets is the J-8F. 151 seconds.
F-15C is the less bricky of the ones as you can bring less fuel than the E while it weighing less in empty mass.
Yeah. It’s also the age old question of do you let 1 plane suffer from being at a too high BR or do you let that same 1 plane make a lot of other planes suffer due to being at a too low BR.
I doubt that they’ll move it up anytime soon because now they can hype up the F-15C GE as the first 14.3 fighter for the US.
