the upgrades started happening at or before 1988. i linked you the news article and copy / pasted the entire newpage.
so in order to even use CAS, you have to get enough points to be able to spawn the plane, then you need enough points to even get the weapons on the plane that you keep complaining about. Guess what russia has to invalidate planes?
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i guess that means abrams is OP then if he performs worse in other tanks at top tier, nerf abrams
1- Look, anyone who has any sense realizes that you getting 10 kills with 0 deaths in 4 games averaged less than 3 per game. Meaning you probably sat off somewhere and waited for kills and weren’t of much use to your team. Those games were won or lost off the backs of probably 50% of your team, not including you. Like how most games are lost or won after the 1Dl’ers are gone. I would imagine the replay would show as much if someone actually went and looked. K/D isn’t really a good metric. It’s a piece of a picture.
It doesn’t mean that IS what you did, but I’d be willing to bet. However, I don’t care enough to go search games and figure it out. The same reason I don’t go look up peoples stats for games, I simply don’t care enough. However, based off your other stats people posted, I’d say yeah it’s probably what you did to pad the stats. Meaning you got the k/d to argue, but we’ll never know what you did to actually get it.
Most games you can sit somewhere and get kills if your whole objective is not to die and simply say the tank is fine I got kills and no deaths. The same could be achieved with tanks from 4.5-6.0 br’s if you just sit off and hit people and don’t add much value to the team in the form of caps, defenses and breaks(which is BS you don’t get points for). Does that mean we should raise those br’s or that their isn’t problems with tanks at top tier? No.
As I said, I’d be willing to bet your kills were obtained from sitting off, not doing much and waiting for who comes by, and the games were won without much help from you.
2- You do also realize you didn’t actually take shots to your turret ring right lol? “I have a 50mm turret ring, I got shot 4x in it and only 1 penned.” No, you in fact did not get shot in the turret ring. Otherwise it would have penned, 50 caliber rounds can almost pen it.
And 3- You’re still using ad hominem and you’re still strawmanning when possible to reframe discussions in a way you can argue. Congratulations that you potentially attack him directly less, but you clearly straw man everyone more.
“US top tier ground is trash”
so they …
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Only compared the ground aspects of …
… US top tier … ground …?
I’m just as stumped as you brother
And of the light vehicles you referenced, you realize only 1 is “top” tier, right?
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It’s over for you, you will never achieve that, I just checked, it’s real! that KDR is infinity!
Not only that he was able to do it in stock form, he also had enough luck on his side, that’s the ingredient of success. He can choose to retire his SEP now and remains undefeated like Floyd Mayweather, I mean top tier sucks donkey ass and most players will be happier without ever getting themselves involved in that nonsense.
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It’s not necessarily an Abrams exclusive issue, but Gaijin raised the standards for end of the line MBTs with the additions of the Strv 122s and 2A7s. So every nation, including the US, should get an appropriate counterpart.
That guy must have either been playing with their brain or monitor turned off lol. Been spading my T-90M in the last few days and 3BM42 has consistently been an easy 1-2 shot kill when hitting an Abrams turret ring.
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https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/239117313454053315
Thats exactly what he did.
He’s using alternate name option so check the guy who’s name is Mikhail685 on that replay.
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Pantsir does not invalidate planes.
It invalidates pilots without brains.
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It certainly makes the use of most ordnance near impossible, and further is unmatched in various respects by a significant margin, and lacks a (hard of soft)counter and happens to be able to intercept ordnance which is a unique feature, among top tier TELARs.
Its not like various counters have been implemented, like HE warheads for rockets(e.g. M151 or M229 2.75" or Mk. 24 or Mk.63 for 5" rockets), Cluster bombs / dispensers, Anti-Radiation Missiles, GPS aided PGMs, Post-Release control capabilities, etc. especially with the inconstancy of The existing implementation of Electro-Optical seekers simply being non-functional or erroneously modeled, also being at a significantly higher BR to get access to things that even partially allow for a Pantisir to even be threatened, let alone at the potential encounter in a full up tier by 10.7 airframes that either have the AGM-65B or AGM-12B at best to compete.
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It certainly makes the use of most ordnance near impossible
Such as?
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Iron bombs (some arguments could be made to not include High drag kits in this) Napalm and rockets, MACLOS / SACLOS Missiles.
The only ordnance that can reliably be used against them are LGBs (AGM-65C & -65E / -65L are not presently implemented), which are only carried by all of three airframes (AV-8B+, F-14B, F-16C) in the context of the US Tree. all other guided ordnance requires the pilot to enter the Pantsir’s range to reliably track the target and permit F&F tactics, also pop up attacks require foreknowledge of the approximate location in order to minimize time spent within LOS, and even then F&F forget ordnance either glides and such is subsonic, or has very high drag and so can take 15~35 seconds to reach maximum range and as such provides ample opportunity to be intercepted or for Line of Sight to be broken, trashing the shot.
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Am I just the only one where 3BM-60/42 is the least consistent APFSDS at top-tier?
- M1 turret ring/horizontal drive absorbing 3BM-60, proceeds to OHK me frontally.
- Click Bait mantlet immune to 3BM-42, proceeds to OHK me frontally.
- M1A1 AIM turret ring immune to 3BM-42.
- Leo 2A4M mantlet immune to 3BM-42, proceeds to OHK me frontally.
- Leo 2PL rear magically deflects 3BM-60, proceeds to OHK me frontally.
- Merkava Mk3 turret front penned without literally a single piece of spalling, proceeds to kill me (through my UFP with an extremely poorly placed shot no less).
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I think you’ll find that LGBs and TV/IR guided munitions are both very effective against them.
I should know given how many of them I’ve killed with PGMs from over 20km away.
A good player in a plane will run rings around a pantsir. The worst case scenario for the plane is that the pantsir player is in the top 0.01% and does absolutely everything right in which case you can still just ignore them and throw munitions at less aware people whilst staying out of the pantsirs scope.
Pantsir is the baseline for how effective SAMs should be for their given BR since it has the positive impact of punishing bad pilots and rewarding good pilots.
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I do agree for a large part from my personal experience, however for me personally the M1 turret rings were pretty consistent.
Sorry bring this, again, but: https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1e5wr2f/why_did_the_first_m1_have_better_turret_ring_than/
So yeah, he got gaijined couple of times, its the same that saying that t-series carousel never explodes bc it didnt explode one or two times
I really hate using the “skill issue” card, because it does invalidate a lot of good arguments made
However, it is the year of our lord 2024 and players have found ways to get around Pantsir’s for a while now. Not saying it’s easy, but in reality it shouldn’t be
I’ve seen many F-16C be able to space climb and drop on top of Pantsir’s where their viewing is minimized by the AOA
The main strength the US has is its CAS lineup, supplemented by a no where near “greatest” ground lineup, but its much better than half the nations you can play top tier with
I think the US top tier ground lineup both ground and air aspects are very much balanced, it really is the players that shit on the nation. The influx of one spawn clickbaits premiums hasn’t helped that either
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Skill-Issue
This ^^
The first thing you shoot is the breach, doesnt matter what tank it is. L2P issues here
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Did you have to check if was using the right ammo on the 10.3? hahaha
Now ill use your video quintilions times instead that reddit link
But on topic, ofc the ring is not the only cause, but its interesting that 10.3 abrams have way better WR:
More balanced BR? Better model? Both?