I just noticed the premium su30 is at the same br as base su27 for sim
Wild.
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The Chinese Flanker that has ARH and MAWS is the same BR iirc.
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tbf at least that thing still has spo-15, so it’s kinda fair, trading some situational awareness for the ability to know exactly where and when any kind of missiles are fired at you.
Though I still think all of the fox 3 flankers should be at 13.7 anyways
That’s why you keep sim and fix it. But I do like the idea of a shorter Air Sim battle with ARB controls and no names over people’s heads.
What source is this from.
Article written by Sukhoi engineers iirc. I also have RU source stating Su-30 max CL is around 2.4.
Right.
Any primary sources? With plots
Does it matter? You are just going to keep moving the goal posts or failing at understanding documentation.
The CL chart in the manual shows a CL of 1.6 at 20 degrees AoA. In-game it has a CL of approximately 1.3 in game. That’s basically 20% less lift than it should have at that angle of attack.
I’m really not.
All I’m saying is they should have it match the G V-N chart.
You compared the 2 it’s underperforming by about .5G in the average instance.
Assuming you used the correct weight and everything. It needs only a small buff in lift at low speeds.
.2 Mach is like 1.9 G in game where it’s 2.4-2.5 IRL.
That’s only .5-.6 G difference from the expected value.
It’s missing 10,700 KG of lift for this given condition.
At higher speeds it becomes more accurate.
Now for my favorite plane it’s missing around 7257 kg of lift for any given AOA. Considering my plane weighs 7257 kg (16,000) lbs at its rough combat weight it’s missing a whole G on average for any given AOA.
Now it has the ability to use the nozzles to increase ITR. They will add 1-1.5G on average for any speed where 60 degrees of nozzle angle is achievable.
Since the nozzles in game add maybe .3-.4G at 60 degrees.
We can see that the missing lift when VIFFing is in the ballpark of 40,000 lbs.
At higher speeds the plane completely over-performs in terms of turn performance.
But this isn’t the Su-27 thread or the “why matrixrupture is browned in sim discord” thread.
This is also not a Harrier thread.
Sad that it isn’t lol.
Sim at top tier just doesn’t seem fun. So a lot of people play lower BRs.
Every thread he is in becomes one
Every discussion he is in becomes one. Dude could be going to his grandma’s funeral and turn the eulogy into a discussion about how her passing is almost as sad as flying the Harrier in War Thunder.
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Then it’s no longer sim… its air realistic…
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No… it’s Air realistic where the match doesn’t end in 10 minutes, it’s not just 32 planes mashing into each other, ground targets and objectives actually matter, nobody gets names over their heads, and you get the depth of a sim battle with Air realistic controls (the controls that turn most people off air sim).
Controls that are probably over-inflated and over-hyped in how difficult they actually are. They take a few hours of conscious practice to learn, yes. And they do take watching a short youtube instructional video for the basic flight principles (slip, skid, coordinated flight, left-turning tendencies) to handle. And there is a lot of depth/skill ceiling, yes. However after achieving baseline competence they’re… not that hard. People like to over-inflate their challenge/difficulty the same way people love to over-inflate the difficulty of DCS or Il2:GB (we had a guy saying taking off a 109 in Il2:GB is incredibly difficult and high effort when… all it takes is being gentle on the throttle…)
If someone is able to say, pick up a random metroidvania and learn its controls they can learn sim controls too.
The default controls warthunder gives you do suck terribly however and create a false first impression. Additionally, SAS being off by default for modern jets also creates a false impression of how hard just flying is. The mousejoy default is also atrocious and creates seriously false expectations.
There’s youtube tutorials for that though to minimize barrier to enter.