Is the T58 and Turm III a little too strong at 8.3?

usually 7, reload time is quite long so not gonna really matter if t58 is a little slower though I don’t know the comparison, t58 is not that different from somua in speed but is quite a bit slower than amx 50s

french ones have the exact same issue of running out of ammo when u magdump and having to use cap points to reload or afking for 2-3 minutes to reload

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And the T58 is better at that niche right?

So if we are not making 1v1 comparsion, T58 at 8.3 is nothing really special

It does one thing exceptionally and everything else is ok or bad

I disagree. The 2.6s reload is extremely oppressive as is the fact it really does not have any downside other than this besides the ones that come with a limited magazine and no stabilizer

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armor is pretty good against conventional ammo + its mobility is REALLY good for its size.

No downside?

Like being big as hell, not mobile and HEAT being its main ammo that has a lot of issues?

It maxes out at 33kph right? It’s also gigantic and easy to spot

How does the armor compare to Soviet heavies and things like the M60A1

Turm III dies easy, T58 doesn’t

T58 is the problem here.
but anyways is another pay to win vehicle which Gaijin seems to promote even more lately

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its quite mobile for a heavy, it rockets to 35kph and sticks to it even in rough terrain. -7kph is mid reverse for a heavy but its not russian

traverse on both hull+turret is very good for heavy

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Quite mobile for a heavy? Like IS-7 can be called that but not T58.

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worse but both dont work on heat/darts and both only work on conventional

t58 is like a m103 hull with a weaker turret but said weaker turret does have some goofy volumetric spots

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agree to disagree

No, Soviet heavies can deal with early APFSDS and APDS shots to a somewhat meaningful degree, afaik T58 cannot.

The T58 having a much bigger profile is also more vulnerable to being hit in the first place, and especially vulnerable to ATGM

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No.

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The extremely fast reload is the only reason the tank is strong, the hull armor is extremely weak for it’s BR and most of the turret aswell, the only strong part of the turret is the turret collar area. Imo they should fix the underperforming turret and the upper glacis armor and nerf the reload time.

Or they could fix the armor and uptier it to 8.7 or 9.0 leaving the reload time as it is, while giving the tank it’s shock absorber system (like the ones used on the AMX 50 series which are missing in-game), kinda like a vertical stab that works up to ~15km/h.

HESH is main ammo, move to hesh, join the BESH gang. Trust in the BESH.

Not even meme, the HESH round is massively superior vs most targets.

What about early Russian and American darts like M735 and whatever the T95E1 has

M735 isn’t really fair though since the earliest US tank with it is the RISE P at 8.7

Leo A1A1 is also 9.0

  1. I don’t know why you’re asking me to figure out how well Russian tanks shoot Russian tanks when this is close to an impossibility for a russian MBT to face a IS-7 in GRB unless its a chinese tank that uses russian domestic ammo, and as far as I know most of these chinese tanks use domestic ammo.

  2. If you ask me to compare the T95E1’s dart, one of the earliest darts to ever exist, to shoot a IS-7, I think you made my point for me that you have to go so low to find something that can’t autopen the IS-7.

DM23 goes far lower than 9.0, and you did say early darts and the DM23 round is an extremely common early dart. You’ll note darts don’t exist at 7.7 and under so you force me to look to higher BRs to find early darts unless, as you stated earlier, you want me to compare the IS-7’s armor to the T95E1…

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I dont play 8.0 often mainly because if the Turm III and those damn super OP SPAA. I think the Turm III’s 30mm cannon needs the APHE removed because it penned me when i was almost completely unangled i was facing the Turm and it penned me kill my entire crew somehow. But idk about the T58 havent played 8.0 within the past week or 2. But anyways yes i think the Turm is super OP at its BR. Also i dont care if the APHE is accurate or not it either needs to be removed or nerfed severely.