It absolutely is. you lack it, so you spent an obscene amount of money so you could win.
but it doesn’t make it anything more than glorified AMX-50 Surbaisse.
You mean apart from the fact that it has double the rate of fire, more pentration, and way way more armour.
Leaving exceptions like IS-4/6, Maus (which mind you are nearly a full downtier for T58) and alike that still fire old generation rounds, nothing in this BR should ever struggle penetrating this thing.
It has areas on it that are literally unable to be penetrated by any weapon. throw in gaijin’s terrible volumetric and desync and trying to pen this thing can often be a nightmare. importantly, unless you take out it’s gunner and commander, or disable it’s hull and turret movement it’s just going to turn and blast you.
Learn how to aim, use your mobility/stab to take the first shot off and you are good. If he is staring at you… just don’t engage like you would do with any other high caliber tank.
That’s nice, but the T58 has better gun handling than most of it’s opposition, ontop of it’s other broken advantages. the hull is still well armoured. and if you can see it’s hull, which you oten won’t because of the tall turret and good gun depression, low calibre rounds that penetrate seem to be unable to detonate it’s ammo. 76mm apfsds and 73mm heat will often make ammunition they hit yellow.
The T58 is a Bkan if you gave it a fully and rapidly trainable turret, way better ammo, disgusting armour with an occilating layout that gaijin can’t seem to do damage models for correctly, then massively undertiered it. It’s laughable that people are trying to suggest that it’s not op at 8.3.
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If they did that they would get a lot of refund demands as it would dramatically change how the vehicle is played.
BR change isnt as bad.
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God forbid USA heavy can actuallly do something in this game
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Yea because all those other super successful american heavy tanks in game aren’t good
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TBF I think it should be 8.7 though at least, then see how it goes.
IDK about people claiming armies against them, saw more flak panthers in a team which is a rare as heck vehicle then I ever did T58s, most I ever saw was 4 of us on a team at once, usually on my own or with 1 or maybe 2 others.
Like IS-7 or Obj? Nope
A comparison doesn’t need to be made. America has plenty of strong heavies.
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lmao
Please point out one and I will find show You that at that B.R. other countries have better vehicles.
T34? T26E5? You can argue Tiger2H is marginally better, doesn’t mean these two aren’t exceptionally good vehicles. T29 as well. Even the Tiger2H being better has became more debatable than it already was with the engine nerfs.
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The APHE is mediocre and the HEAT is HEAT. it’s only got a 6 round autoloader too, 2.6 is insanely fast but that’s what makes it 8.3
The AMX-50 and Somua are autoloading heavies too, 2 br steps lower, so T58 at 8.3 should be fine
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Notably, the french tanks reload between 1.8x and 2.5x as slowly.
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6.7? Centurion Mk. 2 - APDS + full stab, not to mention quite good armor and mobility
This isn’t strictly better, it’s a sidegrade at best, and even if it was it’s a limited, not often seen past event vehicle.
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It really is as You again have great APDS combined with full stab and good platform
Which would explain the BR difference, along with armor ig but I’m not sure if the t58 does have better armor than the amx 50 or somua
Stabilizer is the main upside, APHE is strictly better than APDS so long as APHE can penetrate and you’re not at some absurd range to where the velocity difference comes into play. Either way you’ve made a great case to say the cent is a sidegrade to the american heavies I mentioned.
I don’t think so. French autoloaders don’t stop at 7.7 and the 8.0 ones are still a lot worse than the T58.
Have you… looked? AMX 50 is a paper armor tank
T34 doesn’t have APHE and T26E5 is not that great to deal with cent mk2
I am not making some weird 1v1 comparison. I am comparing them to the rest of their entire BR and their general matchmaking. T34’s only real downside is lack of aphe and long reload
How many rounds do they get and how long to restock the autoloader compared to T58? What about mobility too