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The T58 is at a BR range where it faces vehicles that have mobility, stabilization, laser rangefinding and better munition access in comparison to it - Even in the 8.3BR range.
The armor lacks any kind of extra protection in regard to ERA or composites, with two massive weakspots to hit ammo-wise, with one of them accessible through a frontal penetration even. I also cannot forget to mention that even frontally only the turret armor can be considered " Good " - The hull armor frontally is fairly negligible - The Jumbo Pershing at 6.7BR has considerably more effective frontal hull armor than it does.
Mobility is average at best, provided it maintains speed. It has middlin’ acceleration and at low speed even the hull traverse is poor, meaning hull shots are easy to land and follow-up on. The turret traverse rate is good, but the gun depression and elevation is middlin’ at best, with poor speed when needing to aim higher or lower.
In terms of munitions it’s an 8.3BR tank firing standard HEAT without the FS, HESH that just doesn’t HESH and APHE that despite being a 155mm APHE doesn’t even surpass 200mm of pen.
So out of the 3 munition options it has - Only 1 of them is even viable against tanks within its BR range and below it in frontal engagements, and that one munition type isn’t one that can even be fired through soft cover and concealment. APHE is viable against armor for side engagements, but that doesn’t account for much since you got a 6 round mag and then an abysmal reload, so trying to 50/50 a mag is a problem entirely in of itself.
Is it 8.3BR worthy? Maybe. From what I tested I personally was quite under impressed. It’s honestly very insulting that it and the Turm lll are at the same BR.
Personally, I think some people are just pissed they can’t abuse the commander cupola like they can for other US tanks, so they don’t have an exploit they can abuse to their advantage against it.
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The entire game needs a br increase to decompress. It is impossible to balance certain vehicles with the current system.
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Right, things in its BR are far more capable of taking it out or out playing it… It is good, but it’s not game breaking.
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Please refrain from ad-hominem attacks and insulting other members. It goes against guidelines of the forum.
If you cannot have counter arguments or constructive criticisims, without attacks you shouldn’t post.
- YES both are too strong.
- I tried to get both moved to a higher BR before they were added to the game, but the USA mains and German mains said “it’ll be balanced” right… sure… that’s why I almost have a 4.0 kd in my T58.
Turm III should be 9.0, and so should the T-58.
On that hand, the “gepard likes” that are currently 8.3, need to become 8.7
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Didn’t I say it was going to be OP AF, and you said it wasn’t?
It’s not OP though. lol, If you use it properly it can be in the right hands, just like the 279,turms, is-7 etc. I see t58s dying faster than most tanks, as inexperienced player rush with them thinking they are some fortress. It can be taken out easily.
I dont think that was me. I dont remember commenting on it.
yea i didnt comment on it at all on the devblog. I thought it was gonna be good but kinda DOA from it being a premium, this was before i learned that it would have an absurdly OP autoloader speed
This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
Any Turms, 278, or IS-7 have bounced on me, then I can fire 4 times in the span of them firing once, while I have double if not triple their turret traverse. It’s 40 ° a sec turret traverse, which is like modern mbts…
The T-58 is 9.0 material minimum.
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I see you cannot comment without attacking.
Take care.
As an IS-7 enjoyer, I have indeed repeatedly failed to pen that ****ing turret.
I would actually say the T58 is better in uptiers than the IS-7, flat out. (In exchange for the IS-7 being better in downtiers due to overall armor and mobility, but let me tell you all of the 8.3/8.7 matches I have done today that were downtiers: …tumbleweeds…)
It’s honestly the first time I’ve had legitimate heavy tank envy when driving the IS-7.
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sounds like a skill issue to me?
bruh just dont hit the turret, hit the hull like top tier
I see you cannot comment with common sense. Why do i point out your logic? Because it’s people like you saying “it’s not OP people are dying in it”, kind of thinking that made it stay 8.3 WHEN I WARNED PEOPLE FOR DAYS IT NEEDED TO BE 9.0!!
Just like you can surmise the fact what you said was factual what I said, not opinioned, no factually. Because the T-58 is more than likely the best tank in the game, and you merely don’t want it nerfed because you bought it.
Oh it is, mobility doesn’t matter when you are by far the deadliest thing on the battlefield.
I actually prefer full uptiers in the T-58, the enemies get way too aggressive then I wipe them all
From what I could see this thing is crazy good in advance to the rhine lol
Damn bro how every one of you here have 80% winning rate on T58
Because the T58 is broken and super op, also, so is the 8.3 USA tech tree.
You get a 70s light tank at 8.3
Two good m60s
All sorts of good cas
Then a T54E1,
Then,
T58
T58
T58
T58
T58
T58
T58
Oh and the also broken XM246
Only time I die in the T58, is when 3 or more tanks are all firing at me at once, or I do something incredibly dumb
It could be the best tank in the game, but I don’t think it should be in top tier. It could use a uptier realistically speaking but putting it in with 10 or 10.3 is unrealistic. And you are correct though, the only time I seem to die is when playing dumb, and is probably the best american tank right now it pairs really well with the t54e1. But it is killiable.