The literal only downside of the T-58 at 8.3 is that it doesnt have a stabilizer which isnt some unknown quirk that nobody else has. You can maybe also say “muh magazine” but this only becomes a problem if you magdump.
It isn’t even slow.
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Zero justification given, which makes sense because there is zero reason to believe this.
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It should move up in BR anyway, but the TURM 3 having 3 plane stabilization will quite literally not effect gameplay almost at all to the point where most people won’t notice it exists.
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It is slow though, lacking a STAB is quite the disadvantage, especially in the 8.3 matchmaker where everyone at your BR is STAB’d, and the ready rack will always be a problem, even if you don’t magdump. Its just annoying right now because people don’t know where to shoot and quite a few people don’t know that it reloads this fast. It will lose its effectiveness with time.
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It isn’t. It’s QUITE fast for a heavy. GOOD acceleration and top speed for the type of tank it is.
I’m going to assume that if you think this is fine at 8.3, you also think like, half the french tree needs to be 0.7br lower, because if you think the T-58 is fine but also think the french tree is fine, you are doing some really poor comparisons.
Further, the T54E1 is 8.0 br, its literally just this tank but worse in almost every metric, and by large, large margins. They don’t even have that much different mobility.
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Stuff like the T-10M outpaces it quite heavily, acceleration is okay but 35 km/h max speed is pitiful, even for a heavy.
If you mean stuff like the BRENUS, those are absolute garbage I won’t lie.
Thing wasn’t exactly good to begin with, pretty low bar.
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France has like 5-7 vehicles between 8.3 and 9.0 that don’t have stabs.
From the top of my head its the ACRA, AMX-10RC, Mars, BRENUS, B2, and the SK-105
ACRA is never going to be good, even at 8.0, I will exclude it.
Mars and AMX-10RC would be okay at 8.0, just that it kinda collides with the Leo 1, really brings out the compression problem we have at this BR range.
BRENUS, B2, and SK would be fine at 8.3 tbh.
Above any of this I would prefer just decompression so everything can get a balanced BR.
8.0 was serious, not serious. The same reason 8.7 doesn’t make sense.
It should stay and get a minigun.
Jokes aside, moving it up to 8.7 would make it average, which I don’t think Gaijin will do. Plenty of things with darts can kill it.
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And many things without can’t easily.
Almost like vehicles are well armored against lower BR tanks and not against higher BR vehicles.
This constant argument about tank armor becoming less effective is simply irrelevant when a tank has more than just armor to it.
The T58 has still a much faster RoF and superior turret traverse than others.
So even when it’s armor becomes irrelevant it wouldn’t become useless in a match.
I bet you could play it at 12.0 and still run around one shoting tanks with HESH overpressure without getting a negative K/D.
That was just an example of bad implementations. I’ll have to write that down next time.
The point is, balancing vehicles by adjusting it’s IRL specs is very very lazy and bad. There are many in-game factors for balance like BR, SP costs, etc… If gaijin wants to add a vehicle, they should give it what it has IRL and balance it via these game factors
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I agree fully.
Just rememder the 103 c is 9.0 and the sk is 8.3 when funcionally they are not so different but i immgin the game is stil balanced with an exel document and so thing can get strange st time with minor naticion
And fun fact the 103 c is the hightest br medium with no stab
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Learn to aim
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hit the t58 at the hull then it will blow up easily
Correct, it’s not as if it is inpenatrable, it can be penned. It’s literally a skill issue when they say its too strong. There are plenty of things that are stronger.
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While armor is strong the turret protection is definitely not M103 strong or trolleyness, use Object 279 for example, it cannot go through most parts of M103 turret, but the T58:
The turret weak spot is literally the gambit exposed face area
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T58 1000% needs a BR increase, at least 8.7 where it can face some ERA and Composite armor to negate it’s fast reloading HEAT shell.
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