Yea, its pretty fast. Although its historical. Its really op.
Why does this matter?
They are like wants, not needs. If one can afford, they can go for it, i see no one complains about marketplace items which go as high as $2000, and it’s players who call the shot right? I starting to believe that as long they are the one who does it, it is alright lol
Because why would they nerf a tank that brings them 50 bucks with every purchase?
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ACRA could be good if they fricking remove that stupid missile recoil
For now, I believe the T58 is good, but it is in an awkward situation where if you move it up and it sees stuff like T-55AMD, Chieftain mk.10s , PGZ 89, KPZ-70 or T-72s it’s not going to fair well
It is strong, 2.6 second reload + massive overpressure HESH/HEAT rounds, trollish turret armour and people being unfamiliar with how to deal with it.
But it also has a lot of disadvantages as well, lack of stabilizer, slow velocity, terrible ballistics, relatively slow, chemical rounds as the main ammo while the AP is only 199mm pen, and it is at best M103 armour, meaning it is not going to do good in open maps, against tanks like 59D1 or Olifant, with has laser range finder, stabilizer and DM23 dart (which are more than capable at going through the hull armour and hitting ammo, or sniping weak spots just under the gun.
I believe currently it is just people being unfamiliar with how to deal with it, while its armour is just good enough at dealing with full caliber rounds (BR-412), low pen HEATFS (320mm ish pens) or early APDS (DM-13), making it seemingly very tanky. People keep shooting the turret cheeks expecting it to blow up like AMX 50 Sub or Somua, or the weirdly angled upper turret sections, of course it will seem like it is almost invincible.
After giving it a try, the moment someone with DM23 come around, or people who know where to shoot it with a DM13 shot, or you get a proper flanking shot into the hull , it results in ammo blowing up most of the time. While the breech is quite easily knocked out.
Turms III is a different matter, due to speed it could reach and flank spots where T58 can’t, despite the 105mm loads at 5 second beside 2.6, it has APDS that could go through higher BR targets more reliablely , a 30mm cannon to kill soft target without wasting main caliber gun, while fully stabilized.
But, at the same time it is hard countered by anything with Autocannon, be it a sneaky warrior in a bush, a by passing BMP-2, a XM246 or XM800T, and the 8.3 BR range is saturated by these. It has a higher skill floor compare to the T58, making it very skill and luck based , an encounter against a autocannon tank is solely up to who shoots first as it has no armour to rely on.
I’d say both tanks are difficult to balance; the Turms III could go to 8.7 at best, but the main reason we are having to conversation is solely due to compression.
Turms III and T58 meeting 7.3 /7.7/8.0 tanks is a total slaughter, but when fighting a 9.0 or 9.3 tank, such as if a Turms III meeting a XM803 or T58 having to fight a T55AMD, then it is the reverse.
I think purely in 8.3-wise (without considering up-tier or down-tier situation, 8.3 is okay-ish balanced compared to most other BRs. But even counting in 7.3s and 9.3s, the compression makes any balancing action awkward
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Turms 3 can somewhat do good if it went for 8.7, as it is stabilized, and most things still kill it easily, it is a fast glass canon.
But the T58 is entirely different, one could argue it is a much better armored VIDAR, but without thermals or laser rangefinder (just normal rangefinder). in 8.3 there are already some capable tanks of dealing with it, and in 8.7/9.0/9.3 nearly every tank has a stabilizer and rounds capable of killing the T58, in uptiers it is bad, you can only do good camping a spot, someone sees you then you die, the lack of stabilizer when playing against 8.7/9.0 and specially 9.3 is very important.
Not to mention at 8.3 there are uptiers nearly 80% of all matches, usually to 9.3 due to the insane and popular lineups that some nations have on this BR that create a BR black hole to all 8.3 and 8.7 tanks being pulled up
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All we need is BR decompression.
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I’ve made a statement about this. They probably won’t nerf it due to this reason.
It’s reload is 2.6 seconds.
Oh, that’s very embarassing for you.
Firstly, if you actually read it, it says it’s been flagged. as you said you were going to flag it when you had your whinge before i’d say you were involved. very ironic too considering your username.
Secondly it’s not deleted. as before, you might want to read sometimes. but, more importantly, mods on these forums apply rules arbitrarily and often erroneously. so you incorrect appeal to authority would have been meaningless even it it were 'true". but its good to see you remove the mask “li0nnheart”.
You calling people a loser who disagree with you is a violation of the keeping it civil rule, as are your paragraphs attacking others for having different stances.
Kindly, treat others with respect.
I’m not touching you, I’m just touching your shirt type response
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That’s not what you said in the quote. You keep indirectly (barely) insulting people in every reply too.
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You’re still insulting people in every single reply. Here you call me thin skinned. Not gonna continue this so the mods don’t come down on me for interacting with you. It’s clear you’re not here to have any sort of conversation you imply to value.
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i think the main problem with people like you is that you’re incapable or unwilling to be able to understand that attacking someone’s ideas is not the same as attacking the person. this is why philosophy should be mandatory in education. but at least you and your buddy managed to get off topic and be incredibly touchy at the same time.
Any chances you start having a normal discussion instead of fighting over nothing?
@Hannarr Drop the attitude, although you might not see it, your passive aggressiveness in the messages shows quite clearly. Just have a civil discussion.
Let this be a warning.
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Absolutely not, the T-58 has a super short reload for how incredibly strong the gun is. The armor will withstand most shells at 8.3 to the turret
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Thats the purpose of a heavy tank.
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So? it’s not the only 155mm that can shoot under 4secs