Why? The same is true in your much loved BR extension model like SHadow Proposed it
same again
same again
So monitor and change them
the 0.7 system exists to allow this rebalancing.
If 6.7 matches are what keeps a Tiger I E in balancve then 4.7 matches are what makes it OP
So if both fall away at the same time why would it now be OP? It loses its easiest targets while also its hardest.
The same goes for every other example you made.
If any one of them turns out to overperform that only means that the current 1.0 System did not allow for percise enough balance. because if only a full uptier was keeping the stats down that means that in 50% of cases the Vehicle completely slaughtered it opposition. This is no balance. Being useless 50% of the time and Op the other is not balance.
Balance is if no matter if top or bottom BR you performe similarly.
Your example show that you do not believe that a Tiger I or KV1E can performe similary in a bottom and up tier.
Your example shows that right now the balance is based on lies and 50/50 scenarios more than it is on actual performance.
Your entire counter right now is
0.7 allows for more percise balance because vehicles suddenly not meeting their hardest opposition makes them OP.
I wonder how 1/4 of your opposition being what keeps youdown can be a good balance against 3/4 of it being just fodder
My current KDR in heavy tanks for this year is 3 - 4.5:1.
If I never see uptiers, that will increase.
If T26E5 can’t see 7.7, that means it can’t see 7.3 cause 7.3 does not exist anymore, meaning T26E5, one of the most powerful 6.7 heavies in the game, will only ever see 7.0 & 6.7 matches & dominate.
T26E5 already does REALLY good in uptiers BTW.
Then yoiur tanks BR will rise.
Like wtf are you on about?
You are pretending like there are never going to be any changes ever again after this one.
What?
How does 7.3 suddenly vanish from the erath where did it go?
quick someone get me a net we need to ctach it again and put it back in its place.
Again personal opinion and false logic.
I don`t know what you want.
you are talking about decompression but You do not want any vehicle to not meet anything it currently does meet. So you want BR´s to go to 16 but you want everything to stay where it currenmtly is beacuse everything is perfect according to your feelings.
That is not decompression. Decompressen needs to remove vehicles from a Matchmaking pool for certain BR´s. Decompression only works by moving vehicles around and removing the ability of an IS 3 to meet a Tiger II or by moving the KV 1E up so it faces stiffer resistance. But to do that you need to ensure that the stiffest of resitance is not what the KV1E faces all the time. So this also needs to move up and so on and so on.
Everything moves once one thing moves. 0.7 avoids that while achiving the exact same decompression. After that the vehicles only heald down by their worst matchups will naturally go up in BR as well because they finally can go up.
Noone argued that BR`s do not need to change. Yre you under the shower making this all up?
You are the only person who always without a single issue cried about BRs changing
Far less than under yours. With the same positives, less work and more upgradebility in the future.
We had no BRs in the Beta… We had ranks like in the Alpha for the first weeks…
0.7 is doomed? Well then so is your extension as they do the same one just by increasing the max number of BR`s drastically while 0.7 increases the number of BRs slower.
For balance your we need 16.7BRs for mine we need around 13. Same result but in 10 years I will reach BR 18 and you will be in the low 30s.
That is the difference.
Yes your precious 4 step system how does that actually work as an argument against considering we aren’t changing brs. 4 ‘steps’ that don’t mean anything due to not changing brs but matchmaking
Maybe, i think if it requires 1.0 up tiers to balance an aircraft, or tank or whatever. There is something fundamentally wrong. Because anything being up tiered by 1.0 stands no chance against said aircraft/tank
If BRs aren’t changed, the game dies.
In both systems.
You can WANT BRs not to change, but you have to accept they have to change.
Whether you accept in this conversation or not I don’t really care.
And more than anything, I just want you to know the consequences of your wishes.
I am telling you BRs will change under a 0.7 system.
You can argue they won’t, but BRs change under our current 1.0 system in a decompression manner currently.
The reality is, 0.7 was doomed from the start. Like OG start, which is why Gaijin chose 1.0 back in the beta of BRs.
All I ask is don’t personalize ideas too much.
My idea of 13.3 decompression is likely wrong, it’s probably further than that but I can’t find all the compressed areas on my own.
13.3 took ~20 hours of analysis & typing BTW, and was likely full of incorrect placements, and I have a background in analytics.
7.3 went missing this BR decompression, only France retained a 7.3 lineup.
he’s bullshitting, KV-1E isn’t invincible, german and japanese cannon at 3.3 can kill it at flat angle, there’s also light tank that can flank it like Chaffee, puma, RAM, Crusader, then you got German TD like Dicker Max, StuG 3, Hetzer, regular TD like M-10, Semoventes, ARL-44, IKV-103, and any swedish tier 1.
Tiger 1 can be penned even by 3.3 sherman with well placed frontal shot to either front plate or cupola, T26E5 is still pennable by other tank that can aim cupola, or go long 88, at that BR it sees tank that uses APDS, HEAT-FS, recoiless rifle and other killing factor, it doesn’t help that it can be flanked, it has mobility issue and M-3 gun is still isn’t the best at that BR.
That, is german skill issue, anyone with steady aim in pz4 can front pen your front plate and cupola, you didn’t answer anything, you just giving example on why german player is bad.
Im not saying that brs shouldn’t be changed, I’m saying 0.7 still uses your supposed 4 step x.0 X. 3 x.7 2x.0 same system.
No shit, stuff has to be balanced out like normal, and they have yet to extend battle ratings in a meaningful way, the latest change have certainly decompressed but they also compressed the end of the changes.
They changed to 1.0 due to that working at the time. Well now we have massive issues with decompression so 0.7 should be considered as it changes removes the power extremes from the equation (fulldowntier, fulluptier)
I also agree with extention of the system but that takes a lot of time to fully work out. This accomplishes a lot in not a lot of time, decompresses everytime greater than 13 ( earlier it worked out to 17 brs.
The battle rating didn’t go missing, the lineups may have and that wasn’t relavent during the conversation
I should’ve added that 12.7 decompression could very well occur this Winter as well.
Meaning no new things added, but F-16s to 12.3, F-15s 12.7, F-4E to 11.3, EJ Kai to 12.0, etc.
Time will tell.
Depends on how ready Gaijin is for air & ground decompression to that speed.
Like whatever’s happens stuff needs to be moved further out , 0.7 was a version of that that don’t need much effort to implement and would act as decompression effective to 17.0. Gaijin won’t implement it because broken premiums and accounts sell like crazy
I’ve yet to see any mathematical proof that even 15.0 BR is possible with current equipment, and you think Tiger 1 & IS-2 are not similar, so… pardon me if I take what you think about balancing with a grain of salt.
Here is a table shadow made earlier, showing what would happen if we went to 0.7 (on left) and on the otherside is a representation of the same but with 1.0, note that this would require a lot rebalancing. This table shows proof that 0.7 is roughly 5 extra brs while keeping vehicle battle ratings the same and still being relatively quick to implement
Yes, which means you have to mathematically prove you can get 12.0 to 17.0 without separating similar enough vehicles.
And I trust Defyn for aircraft before I’d trust you for ground, just gonna be honest here.
However, if you don’t have enough vehicles for 17.0, things have to be moved closer together under a 0.7 system.
That’s why I said you have to mathematically prove 17.0 is possible for 0.7 to work without moving half of the vehicles around.
I’m not saying that, I’m saying that 0.7 has the effective change of adding 5 whole battle ratings without changing all too much. It’s what we’ve been saying all along
