Sadly not
For activity though - please keep in mind we’re talking sim, not ARB.
I don’t really fly missile jets except rarely so I cannot comment there, but for props you don’t really get “downtime” in a decently sized lobby.
You need to be constantly scanning the horizon for black dots, checking behind yourself, checking the map/chat to try and guess where enemies are. And on top, there’s controlling your plane - you cannot exactly alt tab and climb. Trim exists, but it’s not perfect and doesn’t have fine enough increments (trim 1% right - we’re rolling right slowly. Trim 1% left, we’re rolling left slowly.) to perfectly offset left-turning tendencies so you need to occasionally input left/right stick even in a straight line climb to keep level.
But most of it is in the spotting and searching and map awareness. I’ve got distracted before and had a P-47 promptly mow my plane down because I wasn’t checking behind myself often enough.
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Problem with Sim is that it can last for a very long time, so balancing the rewards isn’t that simple.
It needs it’s own set of rules but I don’t think Gaijin is that interested in the game mode to try and work something out.
That being said, 12 kills with 6 deaths should give you more than a couple thousand SL though.
If you remember to measure it next time that would be great.
I wasn’t talking about the Gaijin’s version of the term activity, rather your activity as a human being if you get me.
How big is that decently sized lobby and what’s the max size ?
How much time does it take you to takeoff, fly and then engage someone that is let’s say in the general area of the middle of the map ?
8v8 is usually what I consider decent sized. 16v16 is the max.
That’s what I talked about. Flying a plane with sim controls, no markers requires a lot of unrewarded, but necessary and non-trivial activity.
You might call RTBing itself “inactive”, but chances are you’re fighting a plane that wants to spin out of control and constantly making corrections to stay steady because someone bit off your rudder and half your elevator.
As for how long?
Depends on what you call “engage.”
Spotting someone and moving into position to try and ambush them?
Assuming 8vs8 lobby and props flying at 350-450 km/h towards a known enemy position, I’d say 2-3 minutes
Chasing someone who has spotted you?
I’ve had matches where I took off right into chasing people around as the objectives had them on our side of the map. I’ve also had games where I took off, spent 6+ minutes chasing a black dot only to learn it was a friendly bomber refusing to communicate their position when the enemy team had the same bomber model.
Being within guns range?
Being-within guns range can take a long time. You can spot someone and it’s not until a good 2-3 minutes later you’ve opened fire on them as you were waiting to identify them as enemy beyond a doubt and get within ~300 meters.
In all seriousness,
Please grab a 3.0-5.3 propeller fighter aircraft and join a sicily/tunisia match with a 8v8 or 10v10 and see the effort:reward ratio for yourself.
The irony is that some of the players trying to discuss in any favor of J-ing out during have less than 100 battles at best in SIM BATTLES where this is the most prevalent. And let’s be real here this entire thread is a non sequitur for aircraft; any sort of action where you eject because you either:
- Have no confidence in your aircraft or BFM abilities,
- Fail to recognize your choices/actions that leave you open to being repeatedly engaged by other aircraft,
- Or you think you’re being a great little troll by being problem talked about.
In SIM EC matches if someone is J-ing out when a missile is approaching or when they notice you flying to intercept, that is purely against fair play. End of story.
We know Ground maps are poorly ‘redesigned’ at best, but if your ground team completely collapses and gets spawn trapped don’t spawn and feed the cancer. But that is a whole different set of topics that need not be discussed here.
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The most important part of that sentence:
“sole purpose”
it counters all your arguments.
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What a strange and specific thing to ask.
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Players rig lobbies for PvE only in a PvPvE game mode, I do PvP and kill them, and Im the “punishers” or whatever? Yeah lmao ok buddy. Get good or get clapped.
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Point is: If I put bushes on my tank it’s a viable tactic to protect myself, and not intentinally to annoy others. It’s also something that happens in real life an makes my vehicles look more “alive”.
And if I buy a premium, it’s also not to annoy others, but usually also to help grinding. Nothing wrong with that, that’s what those are for. Or I might just want that specific vehicle because I like it. Or - indeed - maybe I want to play higher up even if I have not ground myself so far up yet. Nothing wrong with that either, but understandably tricky. But I doupt players would buy and use a premium with the intent to annoy others.
But leaving a vehicle instead of fighting as soon as there is a possibility for another player to engage, that’s quite a different level.
It’s a bit like calling remis in chess, as soon as there is a check situation.
For me - sorry - this is pre-kindergarden level. “Pre”, as latest in kindergarden kids will learn that it’s no fun playing with kids that stop playing as soon as the game doesn’t go their way…
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if we are on topic of what happens in real life then ejecting when a missile that will kill you is coming is also realistic.
In real life pilots do not eject before getting hit. IIRC; in some countries doing so would be equated to desertion.
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In which world?
In addition to these HUD videos, there are many other instances where pilots have either ejected or died because of missile hits, just like Sidra bay incident in 1981, Greek M2K kills Turkish F-16D in 1996, Turkish RF-4E gots killed by Syrian SAMs in 2012 etc
This is more of a big design flaw than anything else.
It will annoy people and ruin matches, so something has to be done about it.
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yes they do, they just dont eject at any missile fired
they eject when they are sure they cant defeat the missile/enemy
it all depends on pilot experience, their plane and enemy plane and missile they are facing.
for a fully loaded F4E/A10 to dogfight something like a viggen especially once it got behind it is basically suicide irl
I would love to see some proof of that. I might be wrong, who knows, but honestly, i’m like 99% sure that most countries train their pilots to not eject unless the plane is actively going down and ejecting when it only might go down is legally regulated.
yes, there are regulations in place to prevent premature ejection but is a pilot of a10/su25/other heavy aircraft ejecting when a much superior plane intercepts them and they are sure to die really unrealistic?
obviously they dont have to wait until they actually are decimated and gamble if they will survive first impact
I dont know if any sane pilot would for example try to fight a f16 in a su25 especially if it caught the su rear/side aspect.
you wouldnt eject just because a aim120 is coming at you from long distance but you surely would if that f16 started sniffing your rear end
Although not a Su-25, there is the example of the Soko J-21, which was forced against the F-16 in Kosovo or somewhere.
They literally engaged the F-16s, but no one bailed out before hitting the AMRAAM or Sidewinder.
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I would say so yes, ejecting is the absolute last option, when all else has failed. Edit: I don’t know if everyone is taught the same but i know pilots are even instructed to, if possible, guide a plane that is 100% going down to try to aim for a spot that doesn’t hurt innocents on the ground when it crashes and only eject right before crossing minimum altitude.
Define “have to” , by law they might have to, but by the nature of having the option there is nothing physically stopping them from doing it. its like saying “i don’t have to wait for a green light when driving” , like, sure? there is nothing physically stopping you from running a red light, but the rules and regulations are still there.
they did what they could which is hide behind mountains
there is not enough info on the situation but it could be anything, maybe they believed they lost the f16s, maybe their ejection seats didnt work (it was old junk)