@crash2DenyUrKill It starts to look more and more like you are trying to find out how far you can bend the limit betwen allowed and not allowed, obviously to gain something that you consider an advantage over other players. This in itself could be considered “trying to use an ingame feature to exploit it”. Even your name displays so boldly.
Communicating a “Limit” is not something we will do, because this will only get people to offend and annoy juuuust the right amount to evade punishment. We had exactly those questions and demands when that infamous TK ban wave recently happened, where rules that are very cleary were discussed and challenged from all angles.
Also here, in this case: If it becomes a problem in the form of something that is used to intentionally gain an unfair advantage over and/or deliberately annoy fellow Players, there will be repercussions.
Just because a mechanic is in the game doesn’t make every use of that mechanic fair or within the rules. An example would be tank collisions, it exists as a mechanic but that doesn’t mean that continuously pushing friendlies is okay to do. Friendly fire in air is a mechanic but that doesn’t make it okay to deliberately and/or continuously destroy friendlies. There are likely other examples of in-game mechanics that can be used maliciously.
I sadly do not have an answer for you on this one. I haven’t even really given it any personal thoughts either.
Just to repeat: i have no authority in the matter.
I do not know who that user talked to, what was said and in what context so i can’t really give an answer.
But a personal opinion is that; if it isn’t already against the rules, it should be. If the sole purpose is to annoy the enemy and/or deny the enemy kills, it should go against the spirit of fair play (i personally think the J-out mechanic in general might need to be redesigned). But again, not my decision and i have no influence in the matter.
I do not know who handles cases of unsporting conduct (pushing, teamkilling, exploiting flaws, etc), those decisions are made above me and i do not have access to any information in those cases. Schindibee as a Senior might be able to answer but i’m not sure. We (normal Game Masters) are told very little (practically nothing) outside of what we need to know to deal with what we signed up to do; chat and -name bans.
Ok, let me stop asking about “limits”, but “allowed or disallowed” is important to me. TK is strictly prohibited in the game rule, so although (maybe) one or two TK won’t cause a ban, I won’t try to do any teamkill in game.
But kill denying is different. I’ve seen several guys in the forum who according have GM tell them that kill denying isn’t punishable (when they report others kill denying). However in game I hear something different and your answer is also different. Almost all kill denying are intended and of course its goal is to annoy the enemy, so why some of the GM tell them it’s allowed to do so?
There is the conduct of fair play and for me, denying a kill for a player, only to have this salty feeling “hah i wont get you the kill you might deserve, so I J-out” is in my (and by the looks of it for others too) opinion against the fair play conduct.
If you cant understand this then there is sadly no hope. I understand your perspective its frustrating to play Air Sim and only want to bomb some bases or destroying some AI targets and then there are some player who intercepts you all the time. Specially when you flying some heavy brick and theyre in something like a T-2 or some fighter.
BUT would you feel cool with it, when you flip the coin?
And this denying kills only make frustrated and extremly salty people. If you are that frustrated, hop in another lobby, thats a privilege for Air SIM Players. Bc J-out is indeed bleeding your teams tickets and the only thing you will achieve with that is 1. The Sim Air players will recognize who you are and will report you to death. 2. You might get banned bc it isnt clear to break the rule, but on the other hand it isnt allowed bc its not clearyfied. 3. You break the emmersion, bc you could dogfight (depends on your plane) the other player, but before it even started you decide to J-out.
This happens a lot in Air Sim. Below is a clip from one of my friends that happened just a few days ago, and according to him it is starting to become a once-a-game occurrence. Very annoying when you waste fuel and a missile only to have someone J out to not give you any rewards.
I only care about rules, not what called sportsmanship, because if a behavior is not banned you really cannot stop people from doing that. You can see players flying with open cockpit or AF camping often in sim. In my experience in air RB, when I see an enemy crash denying my kill, I just laugh and turn for next target. That guy may be another frustrated bomber who get chased by fighters all day.
A group of Chinese players who claim to be PvE on SA servers frequently does this.
There are two possible reasons for this.
The first is simple revenge.
The other, and more important, is that they hope that by not giving us a reward, we will give up on intercepting them.
In reality, my purpose in persistently shooting them down is not to get a reward, but to do my best to fight against the abusers who are corrupting SB, but it seems they don’t understand this.
I had this several times in just one match today, either players lawndarting just after bombing a base, or if defensive. It is annoying as hell.
But, OP asked about something different namely that the attacking pilot eject befor he gets the kill, not the defending that ejects just before getting killed.
Both are aggravating to the other players.
Why? Simply stop your preferred tactic of denying the other player his kill and start playing fair. Eventually, this will backfire.
“Punishers” like you going deliberately to PvE rooms to ruin gameplay for other players will not solve the problem. Also, it will not result in sim mode popularity increase. Quite opposite.
It is not allowed to call a specific lobby “PvE only”. But yeah, the playerbase who want dogfight and the playerbase who want bombing or grind events don’t belong to a same game mode and will hurt each other’s gameplay.
There are abusers and event farmers, and there are players who just try to play sim and get some reward from it.
I met many players on assault planes who just wanted to focus on hunting ground units, but they can do it only in so called “PvE rooms”.
I myself tried to learn how to play sim PvP, but I gave up at some point. I cannot do anything against OP planes.
So, I grind and then use planes in my own missions to enjoy the gameplay.
Many players just want to play the game, not to be the best, and Gaijin does not offer gameplay for them.
Will you get punished for it?
Realistically only if you do it to a Dev in game. But like spawn camping in GRB it will be ignored 99.999999999% of the time.
Cutting off enemy supplies by engaging them where they join the battle is a viable tactic.
Leaving a vehicle just to annoy others isn’t.
Maybe atm they’re too lenient about this. I can imagine if it gets more of an issue, that this may change. Just look at the TK ban wave. So, J-outers, wanna really risk it?!?
What? Is this really a thing? I liked how there is so many rules to keep pilot happy, but there is zero rules about griefting tank players by kamikaze/suicide bombings on tank players, do they have any idea how annoying it is for someone who just try to enjoy tanks? Looool
Honestly, I don’t want to waste my time on boring tasks like pressing the fire button over and over.
And it’s not something I can do by myself.
But that doesn’t mean I’m going to give up.
Do you know why?
Even if you know it’s useless, I believe that whether you take action or not can make or break your words. If I were in a position to listen to someone, I wouldn’t find the words of someone who didn’t even try 1% of what they could do persuasive.
How many times have I thought about turning my eyes away from the problem and retreating to healthy matches?
But still, I continue to act somehow, driven by the above beliefs and my anger towards them.
So I dare to thank you. Your words have given me an idea of what Zombers and those who fix matches think.
Thanks to you, my motivation has been restored a little. I think I can work harder to shoot them down tonight than I did yesterday.