But it would be unreasonble to expect the Su-34 and Su-30 to fight ADATS with an AGM-65 equivalent like the KH-29.
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SLM is defenseless against ground units, so countering it with tanks before spawning CAS is perfectly viable strategy.
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It is indeed, although new SPAAs just have to double click?
Agreed, but they sit at spawn most of the time, or in corners of their side of the map, by the time a tank reaches there, the match is most of the time already over, and many of IRIS T mains usually just first spawn them, get a few drones and one or two air targets, and then spawn a Eurofighter Typhoon with Brimstones…
So throwing away SP?
Seems gameplay is equalized then :-)
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Sure, when they add historically accurate representation of Brimstones. Let alone the correct variant of Brimstone.
Though I suppose the German Typhoon doesnt have to try and fight IRIS-T SLMs.
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Indeed, i don’t deny that SU30, SU34 and F15E needed counters, even with their Spawn increase nerf, my only trouble is IRIS T facing 11.0 and 11.3 planes/helis that have become effectively useless in a uptier to 12.0.
Thus moving new spaas up would make everyone happy, CAS enjoyers in 11.0 and 11.3 could breathe again, and SPAA enjoyers would still face their main threat, the toptier CAS.
Edit: Grammar
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Im sure that if pantsir could sit at 12.0 for what, two years and effectively doing the very same thing, ie. denying 11.0 and 11.3 CAS planes, SLM doesnt have to move anywhere.
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Seeing how the Pantsir got nearly 2 years of denying NATO teams any ability to spawn CAS and CAP, it’s time for the Russians to get a taste of their own medicine.
I have zero sympathy to offer nor will I pretend to. Don’t like it? Play a tech tree that has the new SPAA instead.
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And if you can’t find one in a tree you can play, suggest more additions of the various systems out there.
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Tbf, next update all tt should be done with new AA, however the quality…
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Indeed, even chuck some low BR stuff to encourage more to try it.
I do like the prospect of this multi-vehicle idea we have with this current one, it could unlock a lot of forward additions across the board.
I’m absolutely keen to see lazing being a thing.
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And only issue on pantsir was people just taking airspawn , fly straight , since airspawn was in 15km range and get wrecked.
But yes, I’m not denying it was powerfull , but most issues were cas players who couldnt adapt in 2 years taking airfield spawn or trying to fly lower.
But on iris T, even that spawn is further away , you get instant lock on it.
Most maps have airfield located so wonderfully that you get ping on jet soon as it spawn or takes off. One of best examples is test sight, if enemy is on north spawn, that airfield is so hi on mountain that soon as jet or nuke takes off, it is good as dead. Tunisia is also bright example of this
This should be a map report consideration, to highlight that it should be like mozdok ground map where one of the airifields is behind a ridgeline. Could be a thing to extend to more maps.
ah yes, the only issue with pantsir was that enemies were bad.
it wasnt the best range out of all antiair systems (inb4 muh pantsir missiles lose energy at max range, as if that issue only and solely affects pantsir and no other AA system in the game) while at the same time being one of the two top tier systems that also had guns for close range defense.
it wasnt the fact that until leviathans it was one of the few, if not the only AA that could guide multiple missiles at the same time at different targets.
it wasnt the fact that russia, sole operator of pantsir in game, has also THE best A2G missile in the game, that even today holds the crown, and that up until leviathans update could be launched outside of not even effective but absolute range of most AA systems while everyone else had to go well into effective range of pantsir to launch theirs.
it was solely the enemies facing pantsir.
SLM is defenseless against ground units, so countering it with tanks before spawning CAS is perfectly viable strategy.
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I didnt say it wasnt powerful , but most times while playing pantsir people just flew straight from airspawn , and doing nothing , so yeah I keep it as player issue. And time to time I witnessed how some cas players took airfield spawn , and fly low . Heck even most streamers / tiktokkers etc did same , and still somehow people didnt adapt in that.
Yes, soviets have best A2G missile , but in most horrific platform of top tier jets.
Any top AA is defensless against ground units. if not counted most light vehicles attacking it.
Excluding ADATS and Otomatic. Heck even VT1 is better missile against tanks vs pantsirs
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But the Su-34 + 6x KH-38MT is clearly a much a weaker combo to the Tornado ASSTA1 with 4x GBUs.
dont forget EFTs with heckin 14x (!!!) hellfires.
Well didnt know that 11.3 is top tier jet on germany
And well are you seriously saying that EF is worse flight model compared to su34/30
And nice that you can only cherrypick one line and just answer on some dry old meme… Stay in reddit on those
i wonder how you reached the conclusion that i was talking about FM in that comment when all i mentioned were brimstones.