New SPAA’s such IRIS-T that have those OP missiles with incredible G force pull and ability to go up in the air and target even the targets close to the ground is too OP to be 12.0. They should be 12.3-13.0 (depends which one, some are slightly too OP, some are outrageously OP for 12.0). The reason is so it can match the OP rank 8 CAS, but can’t engage with 11.0-11.3 aircraft that have no chance against it.
So my suggestion is that IRIS-T and SPYDER should be 13.0, while CS/SA5 and Tan-SAM Kai should be 12.3 (ground RB). CLAWS should be carefully decided because it’s somewhere in between, but I would defenitely suggest 12.7.
JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT MY SUFFER AS KH-38 USER, THIS IS ABOUT SUFFER IN 11.0-11.3 HELICOPTERS AND PLANES, NOT THE KH-38 CARRIERS. IN MY Su-34, I STILL HAVE A GREAT TIME AND ALL I ASKED FOR IS THAT IRIS-T SHOULD BE ABLE ONLY TO ENGAGE WITH RANK 8 CAS, NOT TO REMOVE OR NERF IT!
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you think your CAS aircraft of lower BR should be able to match AA of higher BR on equal ground?
just spawn a tank.
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The issue is the compression.
You realistically have at least 3.0 worth of CAS spread across 1.3 BRs and 2.0 worth of ground vehicles spread across 0.7 BRs.
Things like the ADATS should not be 0.3 BR lower than the IRIS-T SLM or even the Pantsir and equally, you shouldn’t have 11.0/11.3 CAS going against SPAA designed to counter 13.0 CAS.
The best solution would be too decompress ground entirely and doing so would also move the CAS and SPAA to actually be at the same BR
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oh, for sure. top tier ground is due to some decompression for a long time.
doesnt stop me from advising CAS players to “just spawn a tank”, similiarly as i was told to “just spawn a plane” before the addition of next gen AAs.
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Well I think it’s unfair that my Ka-50 can literally get spawnkilled from the ground spawn all the way to heli spawn (happened to me few times with IRIS-T) and it’s unfair that such precise AA matches Su-25T with just 2 TV missiles that have shitty range, but I find it absolutely fair and balanced for it to match Su-34 and Su-30SM, the IRIS-T bringed balance in the top tier gameplay against those. Before that, I could just snipe targets from 10-15km as easely as just aiming at them from high alt and clicking launch key, but now it’s equally challanging as it would be if I was blindly charging into the battlefield 3-5km away from it before the update.
Some people don’t play only tanks, for example, I find it etertaining to do as much tank kills as I can and then, jump in the plane to finnish my game instead of spawning in the tank the second time. So that means you’re not some kind of main charachter and your opinion DOES matter, but other people’s opinions do as well, your fun isn’t the main reason behind everything that Gaijin ever did.
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Kh-38Mt platforms get absolutely zero sympathy from me.
thats exactly the problem
this goes both ways my dude ;)
tl;dr new SAMs cant do anything against tanks, so tanks are perfectly viable counter!
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Are you aware that you are not the main charachter, but just another player out of millions and that some other players actually want to play CAS? And I didn’t suggest to remove it I just suggested that those new op SPAA’s shouldn’t match older 11.3 aircraft that mostly doesn’t even have TV/IR AGM’s and if they do they have crappy 8km range early TV missiles. Most of the weapons at that BR have around 10km range which makes them impossible to play against IRIS-T. IRIS-T and other Leviathan SPAA’s are good for matches against rank 8 aircraft with 20km range fire and forget missiles, but not against rank 7 aircraft that are barely match for SPAA’s that were there before the update.
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Su-25T is a Kh-38 platform ?
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huh, it isnt, youre right. my bad.
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And really do you think that any of Kh-38 carrier had any problem with new AA systems ? I don’t think so only things that have problems is things that doesn’t carry Kh-38
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Well, I just said that Kh-38MT which is the rank 8 weapon should be matched by those SPAA’s which would happen if IRIS-T was 13.0 because only aircraft in that BR range have them. 11.3 aircraft does NOT have the long range IR missiles and they should not be matched by IRIS-T since they have absolutely 0 chance of surviving the encounter.
So if you’re not familiar with term “balance” it means that both participants in combat have equal or similar chances of the good outcome, and IRIS-T against Ka-50 or Su-25T does not match the description of “balanced”, but IRIS-T against Su-34 or Su-30SM does match the description of “balanced” which I have no problem with and I never suggested otherwise.
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i know for certain that SLM made it harded for them to rain 38MTs without opposition, which is good enough for me for now.
other systems might need fixing tho, and italy and UK are still without one.
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SLAMRAAM is not even worth for 11.7 xd, ragebait 10/10
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lol. lmao even.
the balance was heavily in favor of CAS up until now. SLM shifted it towards being neutral.
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It was in favor of rank 8 CAS and neutral with rank 7 CAS and now it’s shifted to neutral with rank 8 CAS and outrageously unbalanced against rank 7 CAS.
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Well, I don’t know about CLAWS, I never encountered it yet, but I was told that it pulls insanely huge G force.
Only 9X is somewhat good, AIM120C7 is trash, loses lock for no reason, goes for ground more than it goes for planes, its slow and is defeated by 1 slight turn
Spyder is no where close to 13.0 right now
that being said, some AA could indeed go up, but so would some CAS planes that had it too easy for far too long
more importantly, maybe it is about time that tanks are decompressed as well, so that older SACLOS systems don’t meet long range AGMs and IR ATGM spamming helis
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“They used to opress us so now it’s time for us to opress them.” kind of mindset you have. If you’re opressed, it should only be balanced, it should be made to be fair. Like this, you’re just putting yourself on the same ooga booga level.
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