Ok
not every AA can detect them let alone shoot them down.
one thing i would think anti-air should be clearly able to engage ;)
ineed. SOME. few outliers can engage them effectively, while rest cant threaten them unless under extremely specific circumstances or not at all.
to a degree, after all, its called close air support.
but.
planes are more capable than AAs in the first place.
team with 15 AAs and 1 tank will most likely lose the game against team with 16 tanks.
team with 15 CAS planes and 1 tank will most likely win a game against team with 16 tanks.
but AAs do not have equal opportunities when compared to planes. they will never have.
There are two viable counters to AA - spawning a plane, or spawning a AA. Tanks cant effectively engage planes.
AAs can be countered by any ground unit, and plane too.
None of the new AA systems bar the chinese one can engage tanks at all. And even with that one i wouldnt bet on it.
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SPAAs and SAMs are support vehicles, especially those that cannot destroy tanks at all. The ability to destroy vehicles doesn’t decide the role of a vehicle, the intended purpose does.
Anti air vehicles support their teams by dealing with airborne threats and when they are not occupied with that they can help with repairs and do scouting.
CAS literally is Close Air Support, they support their team by attacking tanks from the sky.
A lot of the light vehicles in the game and all of the howitzers are support vehicles as well.
Designated ATGM carriers, the AVREs, the M728 CEV, and a lot of the designated tank destroyers are support vehicles. Everything that isn’t suited for frontline combat is a support vehicle, be it fire support, recon, spotting, anti air, sniping, whatever.
I didn’t even read what you wrote because I understood from your previous post that you should be ignored. Thanks for wasting your time, troll.
Ok bro
Ok, how many tanks the premium AMX A1A will be able to bomb when there is an IRIS T on the enemy team.
How many tanks will an American helicopter kill when the enemy has s1, flarakrad, ito90?
Is the only argument kh38? Can the 3 planes that have them be read like the majority?
No one answers anyway:
SPAA should be weaker if it’s going to cost less.
Counter question: How is an ItO 90, Tan SAM, CS/SA5 or EldE 98 supposed to kill a Su-34 or Su-30SM spamming Kh-38MTs?
How is any of the short range SAMs supposed to deal with CAS deploying A2G weapons from outside of their range? The new medium range SAMs (CLAWS, IRIS-T SLM and SPYDER AIO) were warranted because CAS has outclassed the SPAAs and SAMs that were available before this update.
You can blame Gaijin for their terrible balancing decisions and the lack of BR decompression. The BRs of top tier planes shouldn’t have been squished down to fit into GRB, they should have kept their high BRs and players that desperately want to use them as CAS should have had to fight in their own bracket at 13.3-14.0 while using their top tier ground vehicles.
Ah yes, US suffers. Have you seen the state of British, Swedish, Japanese and Chinese helicopters? I guess the Teapache is fine because it has Starstreaks and the TY-90s definitely carry the Chinese helicopters lmao
Because that’s how spawn costs are calculated.
“Why is this vehicle that isn’t as good as another vehicle as expensive as the other vehicle of the same role that is better?”
Nah, you got me, I’m just a troll
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How are you going to justify vehicles that are incapable of destroying tanks costing more SP than the ones capable of destroying tanks?
It seems your entire point is that 11.3 CAS is helpless against the new spaas.
One, everything will always be harder to fight in an uptier. Just how it is.
Two, they aren’t helpless. Its still 100% possible to kill them in an 11.3. Whether it be bombs or guns, low flying or extremely high flying. Its still possible.
Helicopters can still sit behind hills and mountains and quickly duck for cover.
Should we have BR decompression? Yes. Is CAS at 11.3 getting killed as soon as they spawn in? No.
I guess i just dont get it. Decompression is good, uptiers exist. It is what is.
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I do some what agree that SPAA at least the new ones that have a 20km+ range should have an SP increase, its very dumb it only costs 70sp to spawn, easiest way to do this would be to split the SPAA into SHORAD and Heavy SPAA SHORAD keeps the 70SP and heavy SPAA goes up to like idk 150-200SP
I think it should be slightly different.
If the spaa cannot kill tanks, make it 70sp. If it can kill tanks (example being the gepard) it should be 140 or 150.
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Paying 150-200 SP to larp as not one, but three buildings just hoping something spawns that you can shoot at…
All the while being a massive sitting duck to basically any ground unit that comes close.
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issue with that is then you have things like SLM that is 70SP when it has more range then any CAS plane in game, its simillar to how people begged for CAS SP costs to go up I think heavy SPAA should have an increase in SPAA
I feel like AA vehicles with high tank destruction potential should get spawn cost adjustments depending on the ammunition they carry, similar to planes and helicopters.
Keep the low spawn cost if the player voluntarily chooses the HEI-T (or whatever low pen HE ammo) belt and increase the spawn cost if the player chooses the APHE/APDS/HVAP/whatever belts.
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That makes sense
I would say a 150SP cost is more then justified for SPAA like the SLM
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Should be 100SP at most. There is no justification for vehicles that are incapable of destroying ground vehicles and cannot help their team unless there are planes to cost more than MBTs, light tanks and even tank destroyers.
Similar to the ammo SP factor, maybe there should be a SP factor for the amount of launchers you take into battle.
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Is it better than the hq-17 and the TOR ?
have to remember most people spawn SPAA as there second or third life by then MBTs or IFVs are costing 300-400 points I think 150 that doesnt go up in SP cost with other tanks is fair since then means people are only gonna spawn them when there are planes up, or if they want to do SPAA they can