IMO 0.7 up/ down fixes all issues i can think of with the game.
No more mig15 vs mig 19
No more sabre vs f104
F5 doesnt go against a full lobby of radar slingers etc etc
13.0 vs 14.0 is one of the worst experience in war thunder also sorted.
Obviously been said before. Dont see why they wouldnt just trial it for a week or 2
Most 13.0 ARH slingers are substantially weaker aircraft than the IR/SARH slingers at 13.0 without those ARH. None would be much higher than 12.0 if those ARH were removed. So they would remain at 13.0 and wouldnt suddenly go up.
Only the F4F ICE and F3 Late can go up in BR with the right decompression and buffs.
13.7 could be spread out a bit and 14.0s could move up a bit. All 13.0s (IR, SARH and ARH slingers) could be moved up more as well as there is no reason for most 12.0s to be facing 13.0 SARH slingers like the F-15A and Su-27 and then that would allow for 12.3s to move up too.
But most, if not all SARH 13.0s would still face ARH every match
Mutlipathing at 100m was stupid and 60m is stupid. If it remained at 100m, aircraft like the Sea Harrier FA2 and Viggen Di would have to be about 12.3 with AMRAAMs for them to be even slightly balanced. If the only justification for an aircrafto be a higher BR is a weapon system that can be defeated by flying low and everyone is flying low, then there is no point even factoring it into the BR. As it stands, 60m is too high and needs ot be lowered further ASAP
13.7 could be spread out a bit and 14.0s could move up a bit. All 13.0s (IR, SARH and ARH slingers) could be moved up more as well as there is no reason for most 12.0s to be facing 13.0 SARH slingers like the F-15A and Su-27 and then that would allow for 12.3s to move up too.
But most, if not all SARH 13.0s would still face ARH every match
and? dont kid yourself, theres a significant difference between fighting 15Es, Rafales and Typhoons every match in a full uptier vs fighting only su-27sms and the like (which would be in theory, where the worse kitted 13.7s go, 14.0 if we do get 14.7/15.0 decompression) in a sarh-ir slinger, thats an incredibly weak argument.
Or do you find it fair that 13.0 SARH-IR slingers face 15Es, Rafales and Typhoons?
If so then that is certainly a take.
The only reason that someone could perceive something clearly unfair as fair is that someone enjoys being unfair to everyone else, ignoring every fact presented in terms of weapons kit and just hyperfocusing on a single aspect that makes fighting those things at 13.0 that make them insufferable to fight.
Lower multipath height to 20 or 10 meters sure, but no more 13.0 high G ARH slingers, they all go up to 13.3 or 13.7.
Need you be reminded that 90% of things at 12.0 and 12.3 cant even see an incoming ARH on their rwrs being unable to display or in some cases, pick up an incoming ARH going terminal acquisition
That’s not what they’re saying. The best non ARH carriers will always need to face or be a higher BR than the worst ARH carriers. An Su-27 is better than the Viggen DI, and its BR needs to reflect that, because ARH missiles are not the only part of a plane.
They will always end up facing ARH missiles because of how the BR system works, but we need to limit what they see by decompressing the game.
That’s not true.
Gaijin also needs to move up Mig-23MLD, F-4FG1/J/S/FGR2, F-16A, Mirage 2000C tho by a lesser extent to half of the 13.0s.
0.3 BRs of decompression impacts 3+ BRs of vehicles.
That reaches 14.7 and almost everything from 8.0 - 14.0 is decompressed. 15.0 gets everything.
That’s not true.
Need i remind you that a majority of RWRs at 12.0-12.3 are on the equivalent of the ALR-45(V) found on the F-4S/J which cant even indicate any incoming arh, the Mirage Detecteur on the F1C only indicates CW illumination with a double directional rwr indicator frontally which only blinks if it detects CW illumination, which is also the same functionally as the RWR on the 12.0 Viggen
the JH-7A, F-18A, 20A etc are outliers with proper digital RWRs
That’s not what they’re saying. The best non ARH carriers will always need to face or be a higher BR than the worst ARH carriers. An Su-27 is better than the Viggen DI, and its BR needs to reflect that, because ARH missiles are not the only part of a plane.
They will always end up facing ARH missiles because of how the BR system works, but we need to limit what they see by decompressing the game.
So? 14.7 ceiling and them being 13.7 would make sense then if thats that person’s argument for things like the CSIP, 37Di, J-8F etc.
the only high G ARH slingers that have a justification at 13.3 in a world where we have 14.7 as the ceiling is the Harriers.
Gaijin also needs to move up Mig-23MLD, F-4FG1/J/S/FGR2, F-16A, Mirage 2000C tho by a lesser extent to half of the 13.0s.
0.3 BRs of decompression impacts 3+ BRs of vehicles.
That reaches 14.7 and almost everything from 8.0 - 14.0 is decompressed. 15.0 gets everything.
This.
The 13.0 Flankers, at least now, arent that awful to fly anymore, they fly alright, and the offensive kit on them and to a lesser extent, the Mirage 4000, would be fine to be at 13.3 with the Harriers in the case of a 14.7 BR cap, 15.0 br cap would be a different case for the high capacity SARH-IRCCM slingers
Another good case for this to point out is the entire mess that is 11.7-12.7 for arb which definitely needs to go up at least 1/3rds a step as a whole
And they wouldn’t face them with what I would propose, but they wouldnt be a different BR to things like the FA2, Viggen Di, etc etc
No? In fact I’d say that 90% can do exactly that
How I would decompress top tier
Move all 14.0s to 14.3
move some 13.7s to 14.0 (like the F-15C)
Move some 13.0s up to 13.3 (ICE and F3 Late) Potentially move some 13.7s back down to 13.3 (mig-29SMT for example)
move everything from 12.3-14.3 up by 0.3 except for some of the mud movers (GR4, GR7, 2000D, 2000D RMV, JH-7A, etc etc)
move some 11.7s up to 12.0 (like the Mig-23MLD) and move some 12.0s up to 12.3 (F3 and maybe F-4S)
Congratualtions. You have just decompressed top tier
Yeah I really wish 11.7 and 12.0 planes go up a little, its extremely annoying having only heatseekers vs r24rs and aim7fs.
You have decompressed by 1% and moved the problem by a few inches.
So what do you want. Gripen A at 13.0 and Sea Harrier FA2 at 14.3?
also jets like this 100% have to go up in decompression. They are mirage 2Ks with the same FM as the fighter variants (actually better in some cases funny enough last I looked) and still have 2 magic 2s aka 2 free kills.
They are Mirage 2Ks with less missiles than their dedicated fighter variants. I have never once had an issue with them in an uptier. F-18s and Co are far far worse.
Magic IIs are only free kills if you dont know how to use flares.
This doesnt matter when you are suggesting they share a BR with the F-4S and Mirage F1C.
Magic 2s are pretty much free kills regardless. I don’t care how good you think you are, if I get in my 2000DMV and just fly at you in a beeline then when we merge all I do is just hold my missile and wait to get on your rear, you aren’t going to flare it in your F-4E or J-7E from 1km away and if you try to dogfight I win there too.
15.0 is minimum br change, with 16 or 17 being optimal.
Well. Mirage F1C has 2x Magic IIs. So…
and F-4S being 12.0 with Agile Eagle, better missile and HMD when compared to all the other Phantoms at 12.0 that dont have any is stupid>
Why did you let a mud mover onto your tail in teh first place? Let alone one with IRCCM. Its like the Mig-29 I killed in the GR4 a while ago. Just let me get onto his tail and get a clean shot for an Aim-9M. Doesnt mean the Tornado Gr4 is OP.
Its a Mirage 2K, the F-4E and J-7E are faster.
Also why you are fixating on 11.3s in this is really wierd. I was looking at Mirage 2K vs F-18C early or F-16 or Mig-29
So you’d have 1 vehicle per BR?
There just isnt the need for that amount at this time (at least when you confine looking at 12.0+)
and fat chance gaijin would ever do it.
and??? It’s also not a Mirage 2K???
So what? Doesn’t mean its equal to a M2K
it’s not up to you. I will simply (and easily) force myself upon you. We can test this in a custom if you like…
You haven’t thought about this at all and want to claim extreme claims like “there’d be only 1 vehicle per br” without even checking. How do we go from the current mess which sees MASSIVE power jumps even going up by 0.3br, expand that range by 2 BR ranges, then somehow now have 1 aircraft per BR? Get real.
Oh my bad, it’s not like the 15bis is fighting me-262s now or that the f-104 fights the javelin and mystere IIC, or that the literal su27 flanker can fight a mirage f1 but yea no you’re right we definitely don’t need any decompression
Okay?
So lets drop the Phantom FGR2 down to 11.7 because its not equal to the F-4S.
Lets drop the Sea Harrier FA2 down to 12.7 because its not equal to the F3 Late
Lets drop the Tornado Gr1 down to 11.3 because its not equal to the Mig-23MLD.
Im not really sure what you expect. Its never going to be 100% decompress. Its about less of 2 evils. A mud mover 2K shouldnt really be facing 13.0s like the Gripen A.
Holy moly, do you even play this game?
The only way you are not going to have a power jump is if you just had seperate gamemodes for each eras. We dont have a dozen BRs between Props and jets, gunfighters and missiel fighter, rear aspect and all-aspect IR and SARH, IRCCM and IR. So why does there need to be a massive one for ARH.
Weak ARH slingers are tenatively weaker than the strong SARH slingers already. There is no way to seperate them without basically deleting those weak SARH slingers from the game. The only problem I see is the 14.0s facing 13.0s and 12.0s facing 13.0s.
Only takes adding 2x 0.3 brackets to fix those.
Please learn to read. This thread is ONLY talking about 12.x and above
Last time I checked, the Me-262, Mig-15bis, F-104, Javelin, etc etc were not 12.0 or higher.