Yeah it has no armor modeled
Wut, it has 6mm armor does that not count? Like I get your image shows nothing but maybe I’m hitting the roof or something?
It’s because it’s counting the optic and the driver as armor
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Brother what the hell is that bush? Smh if you’re gonna have bushes use them for hair on your tonk
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Ah, that must be where the bias is stored
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I’m very keen to hear the rationale behind the HEATFS in the first place and the historical accuracy of it all? I mean the IFV was used for 20-25 ish years. The timeframe for HEATFS lines up just fine (the vehicles got taken out of service mid 1970s according to my googling).
So it having HEATFS I dont see why it would be historically innacurate? But I cant find any sources on the matter except for the fact that it did use HEAT, which is not disputed.
IMO for pure gameplay and game design adding the IKV102 (older engine, same chassis and probably no HEATFS since its an earlier version) for low BR IKV shenanigans seems fine and letting the IKV103 be a 400mm pen meme vehicle.
TLDR; Anyone got any sources on the ammo of the 10.5mm guns that the IKV103 had? Would love to read but cant find anything.
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Short story the 105 heat shell was made if I recall for the IKV-91-105 but was tested and used on the IKV-103 as it’s cannon could use it., as you can see here m/65 is used on the IKV 103
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Its getting throw into the same situation as the german tds such as the emil.
They have a gun with overkill pen but dont do well due to lack of armor, reload, and mobility. They get moved down.
Their guns still act the same vs the lower br tanks and the lower br tanks have just as easy a time penning them. But now the enemy reloads are quicker and battles are faster pace.
The tds perform worse and the cycle repeats.
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wait, where did gaijin figured the 400mm pen value for the m/65? is it bcs 0deg of AOA?
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Even more damningly, the tradeoff they offer becomes less and less worth it, because you’re not going to find many enemies you would struggle to pen with something else in your lineup anyway!
Balance, to put into perspective the IKV-91 with its 90mm in game has 433mm pen but there is a figure online from its trials that it had about 566mm pen irl. Again most ammo use gaijins own formula rather that statics. All swedish 40mm ammo is vastly underperforming for example where as every other nations 40mm from Bofors matches their IRL specs more closely
Exactly. In the section they mentioned about what could be added to the Swedish tech tree, I wrote that they could give the IKV91 realistic penetration, and I received the amusing reply that the penetration it already had was sufficient and that there was no need to change it. Apparently, using realism and historical accuracy only when it suits their purposes has become the norm in the game, both for developers and for many players, who, fearing changes to the game, prefer to leave it in its current sorry state (and getting worse every day).
In reality, HEAT rounds do more or less damage depending on the residual penetration left after piercing armor, generally resulting in lethal damage if 100mm remains. For example, a 105mm HEAT-FS round, which penetrates 200mm at a 60º angle, upon impact with the front of a T-55 (100mm armor at a 60º angle), should generally destroy the tank completely. I don’t know what the developers use to calculate HEAT damage, but if they do, the penetration of HEAT rounds would be quite significant, especially if your bullet historically should penetrate an additional 100mm.
Returning to the topic of the IKV103, it’s simple: it’s a change the developers made to annoy the players. The problem with this tank is its bullet velocity, and it will be just as problematic as it is now, even with a different BR and the previous HEAT round. The difference is that this change removes a historically significant round. Meanwhile, the T-54s carry APDS and HEAT-FS rounds, which they probably never used, since the T-54A (not in the game) and the T-55 were already in service when those rounds entered service. Cases like this, with tanks using rounds they shouldn’t, are rampant in the game, but it’s inevitable when the developers have decided to forget realism to maintain a mediocre sense of balance and not add interesting models to properly fill the BR (T-54A) slots. Furthermore, the developers know that today’s players aren’t interested in realism (as demonstrated in the survey of… APHE), they are interested in all tanks being the same, and in the tanks they like working well, even if they are completely fake.
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i mean if its irl value is 350mm-ish @ 90deg plate and gaijin decided to buff it to 400mm pen value, then isn’t what gaijin doing rn (nerfing ikv103 with preface of buffing it) is kinda counter-intuitive?
i mean they can just give its irl value without dropping its br to 3.3 and call it a day
the velocity has 2 sides of coin tho, in other hand its slow, and on the other hand knowledgable players could use its low profile, short gun to do parabolic stuff which i do often times
i agree with the nerf is gaijin trying to annoy the players lul, most ppl playing sweden dont even think about ikv103 till i told them that u can do that sort of stuff.
Thats not going to happen, you’re asking too much from gaijin realistically. Personally I don’t think we have the numbers to really change their minds on the matter
Though I’d love for that to be proven wrong. Part of me kinda thinks that with all these changes they are looking at adding new vehicles here but I fully doubt that’s what will happen.
yeah, this is just sad
The only time WE have had enough pull by ourselves was when it came to the JA37DI F21 and they only changed that because of massive outcry. This doesn’t have that much in terms of United opinions, look at the Gripen, we had to have the British also speak out about giving us the worse model and we still ended up with a very minor but worse model overall on release.
While a decent portion of people play Sweden, we are easily the least vocal and united group of all the trees in game.
Seriously I can literally list the most active swedish forum player names on both of my hands
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Yes, that’s the advantage of having a low bullet velocity, although I’ve been hit from behind mountains even with APDS-FS. But anyway, it’s still a tank with more disadvantages than advantages. The worst thing about this change is that it eliminates the possibility of fielding it alongside BR8.0 tanks, which are the ones it would historically be paired with.
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Realistically who is gonna play 3.3? The PVKV and L-62 ANTI aren’t really that great nor is the SAV. Now that 3.7 is dead there’s not really a reason, you’re better off staying around 1.7 or 2.3 and grinding your rank III vehicles
It’s their “default” HEAT pen value for modern 105mm guns.
Modern 120mm and 125mm guns get 480mm.
Gaijin use a lot of “default” values (e.g. 6.7s reload aced for 90mm and 105mm guns etc), unless there’s a source that specifies a number they agree with.