Sooo?
People are unable to change their mind?
Gaijinnchanged it’s mind on al sort of thing.
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supersonic jets
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large naval vessels
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128v128
Why is tank only special?
Yeah, though i would not say that was a response in the context Pangolin_Fan attributes it to. Especially when discussing RB.
I believe my take is more grounded in the reality. The mode out of beta was to combine ground with air, not a reaction to needing to stop difficult targets.
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The only angry one is You at the moment as You can’t understand that without TO any changes for better combined gameplay won’t happen
It takes away who wants to just play tanks and with that many things would solve itself and changes could be made
Malicious?
Are you serious?
How are my reasons malicious?
“Hey let’s give WT SB a chance to heal by cutting out the cancer” is exactly malicious how?
It’s a win-win situation. TO players get their RB mode and SB will no longer be abused as an anti plane mode.
Which isn’t a bad thing in itself if a game evolves.
It gives it the chance to become better.
Not much benefit?
Are you serious? Having a proper sim and having quality tanks is a huge benefit. You are incapable of looking at the bigger picture.
Complaining that was only necessary because of RB nit having a TO mode. Mixed RB is hurting sim by your own admission. RB is not worth existing if it ruins sim. So let it help sim by existing in another state.
What anger?
A doctor cutting out cancer isn’t angry either.
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This. Only a couple days ago some 47% WR dude that got clapped on the ground like nobody’s business spawned in his F-16 and through guided ordinance magic got 6 verrrrry difficult kills ( /s ) just like that. Eventually he got taken out, respawned on the ground only to die again doing nothing good… This is really [Insert that other tank game name]'s artillery class but with thermal view, guided weaponry and no RNG at top tier. Unless my team has a competent (and willing !) CAP player aboard but I have zero control over that. And if I want to play actual tanks and objectives, why should I be forced into playing SPAAs or fighters ? Only to counter (very inefficiently at lower BRs) a bad mechanic and waste SP again if I want to go back to playing objectives again ?
The maps and general gameplay are not fit for these mixed battles. Gaijin going realistic specs on weapon ranges on post stamp sized maps and microscopic cap circles is an abyssal gameplay choice. I’m not against the general idea of combined arms in video games at all but the way it’s implemented in War Thunder’s GRB has been bad for the longest time.
As some others have mentionned : if only SPAAs were more versatile, had proper antitank ordinance and spawning one to counter planes didn’t outright force you to ignore the mechanics of victory/objectives (except for a few very competent vehicles).
Edit : slightly unrelated but has anyone addressed the elephant in the room of why GRB has different nations fight each other and not just a purely mixed mode like arcade ? It’s not like we need to be able to identify anything correctly in RB : if it has no marker over its head, just shoot at it. I don’t give a rat’s ass what nation it’s from. It would improve the problem of one team having, say, both SM3s and Pantsirs and the other not among many other things… Also “USA = loss” won’t result in as many one-death leavers.
May be necessary to keep so they can be intercepted imo.
Idk lol
And how was that malicious? again, kill cancer to save the patient, isn’t malicious. I don’t want to harm the game.
Are you delusional?
I have no dislike for them. I can understand their frustration. I want to take away their exile and give them a proper home, where they belong. How bad of me… you are completely off the rails.
What i dislike is the implementation of tanks by Gaijin… i don’t dislike the people playing them in SIM, it’s not their fault.
Are you sure you aren’t projecting here?
It hurts both. But i don’t see how this invalidates my point.
Are you sure, you aren’t the hateful one?
They aren’t stubborn they just have a different idea on what they want to play. And forcing people against their will is never a good idea. Sacrificing for this ego trip is nonsense.
They very much have grounds to complain.
You are actively hindering it though. There will always be people that don’t want planes in their games and those will automatically gravitate to GSB, giving the impression GSB is fine… which hinders the necessary change. You will not save GSB into a sim this way. You are the stubborn one.
If you were right nerfs to CAS would have worked, they didn’t.
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The problem with that is that naval doesn’t cost SP to spawn ships, so pulling a plane has zero impact on you ability to spawn ships, in ground everything costs SP so you will risk losing you ability to continue in the ground battle if you pull a plane. Additionally players that don’t have planes in their line up already likely don’t have the skill or even the key binds set to fly effectively at top tier. How do you think someone that has never flown, or only flown props before will handle spawning in a F-16 or MiG-29? They will get slapped instantly by a SAM or another plane, lose most of their SP and leave the match.
Additionally, why tank players should be forced to fly plane? How about we make it so air modes require you to first drive out a tank and farm SP to pull your first plane, or spawn S-400s and Patriots all over the map turning it into a no fly zone until your team drives out in ground vehicles and destroys them? You like that idea? No? You don’t want to be forced to play ground in air battles? Well guess what that is EXACTLY what you are insisting tank players do!
Oh, and all the time you spend in a plane, you are getting AIR RESEARCH points, not ground, so its a COMPLETE waste of time for ground players.
I would allow them to first Spawn fully loaded, while preventing op SPAA like Pantsir from spawning at the match start or too early.
That’s not how the world works. They want a shooter without CAS(!) they still want a shooter. And that is fine give them their tank shooter.
Even without revenge bombing the feeling of helplessness will not go away. And that is a driving factor.
That’s BS. They just don’t want to use the counters because that is not what they enjoy.
So it is anger…
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You haven’t changed a bit MH4UAstragon, no matter how You want to portray it.
You just don’t want TO to happen for the sake of it, no real actual reasons. No matter what You propose it leads to the same and won’t change a bit for people who want to just play tanks.
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Ye, so there is no point in having a real discussion with You.
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So You shouldn’t be discussing it, instead focus on the balance of CAS in GRB without.
Not really as what You propose doesn’t solve the issue and then it doesn’t take into consideration people who just want to play tanks.
Just give people TO and then change things in GRB according to people who play combined gameplay because they want to, not because they can’t use their units in any other mode.
So You would delay the time to implement TO even after changes, great. Another example why there is no point in having a discussion about TO with You.
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So you basically want ground player to suffer out of some petty grudge?..
FYI I play both CAS, CAP and SPAAs along with tanks and enjoy all of it, we are trying to work on ideas for balance issues here, so while I’m open to your opinion on the topic “Tankers must suffer because Gaijin changed something in air I don’t like and I blame tanks.” is neither helpful or constructive.
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Why? Because you say so?
And the game isn’t as popular because the people actually want a shooter(!!!) without CAS. If they wanted a sim, GSB wouldn’t look like it does today.
You are misreading these people. You are projecting and interpreting things onto them that isn’t there.
They are shooter players, not simmers.
Because it was never a fight. You made it one.
People had needs and you invalidated them (“your issues aren’t real”). Of course their reaction is combative. If you would be cooperative this wouldn’t have happened.
All aggression comes from you.
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They did events. Doesn’t take much research to find them
So please provide link for it
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I am well aware of them, they do not fit what you were saying and appear to be parroting a feeling.
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