If you could, how would you re-balance CAS in Ground Battles?

[Oni-chan-Yamete-kudasai]

@AK_Awful_Waffle

No, given the time and investment it requires to grind an entire tree to get a 10-11-12 BR jet, it’s really not a valid argument to say “just get a jet”

Every time I hear this argument it’s always guys who are afraid to lose the artificial edge they hold over ground forces

Bro

Imagine me investing my time in each of those nations to acquire both tanks and planes so that I have a decent chance in tank matches. And you come and tell me that’s not a valid argument?

Are you begging for CAS to be eliminated because you’re not capable of making two trees?

Be honest with yourself; you don’t do it because you seem incapable of executing the basic maneuvers needed to evade a Pantsir in tank matches. You probably tried a few times and got frustrated by not succeeding. You likely saw how difficult it is to be CAS and resigned yourself to being just a tanker in the game because you don’t want to learn the basics of aviation in a dominated field.

Please leave, as this topic isn’t for you. This isn’t debatable for those who aren’t willing to at least try to combat FIGHTER vs. FIGHTER. As I said: NOT EVEN THE UNITED STATES TRUSTS ITS OWN AIR DEFENSES, SO WHY SHOULD YOU? They developed air superiority fighters to stay safe; you should do the same.

[Oni-chan-Yamete-kudasai]

I spent my time researching both trees simultaneously for a balance of ground and air, always having something I can use against my opponents without relying solely on another human to do the air superiority work. I had to learn the tactics of both game modes; I invested my time to navigate the CAS issue because I saw it would be annoying if I didn’t do something before reaching top tier. Do the same and stop complaining, as you only seem to be whining in a degrading position.

[RunaDacino]

Also yes.

Shoot 3 tanks in yak 9: get like 1500-2000 RP towards my next plane.
Shoot down 1 player and suicide into a headon in ARB: same RP for 5 minutes.

Actually go for top of leaderboard:
5 kills in yak 3 (yak 9 is too fat for me): 8K RP
10 kills in king tiger: around 5.5K RP.

Also

@Oni-chan-Yamete-kudasai

But it’s impossible to be F2P after 3 months of playing and dedicating a little less than 2 months. You will unlock rank III for both air and ground, be able to participate in events, and then sell the vehicles to acquire packages to reach those vehicles more quickly.

Do you realize how much playtime per day events require?
@Oni-chan-Yamete-kudasai

Data Analysis: what is the actual average player's score per mode? (and how long will it take you to do this event)

Okay, so this post is going to be long, but I think it’s important enough, because it affects everybody given the new event structure. What is the actual average score per mode? And how much variation is there between good players and average players in the time to complete score based tasks. So first we’re going to establish what the average score is, and how it changes with player capability. We’re going to stick to AB/RB for this, as Sim Air is very different in a lot of ways, and Sim Groun…

I’ll let the images speak for themselves.

sauce: Data Analysis: what is the actual average player's score per mode? (and how long will it take you to do this event)

For reference, I’ve had absolutely zero chance at completing the boxer event as I couldnt play for about a week. And even if they did? They nerfed air sim score, which I’m already frustrated that I cannot progress the “german quality” challenge by playing a Fw190 or Me410 in sim and must do 25 full games as ground or arb germany which I’m really not feeling like rn.

Dont play for 4 days? You cannot complete it.

Oh, and the events are even worse now because of rank modifiers. A Rank 3 player needs significantly longer than a rank 6 player.

[Oni-chan-Yamete-kudasai]

@RunaDacino

Do you realize how much playtime per day events require?

A little less than 2 to 4 hours in air simulation with a plane capable of taking out 1 base per trip, and just over 4 to 5 hours in realistic tank matches in ground events.

[jaded_sakura77-psn]

This is literally nothing but you flexing your progress. I too, will eventually waste more hours and millions of SL in the same way it proves nothing.

[Oni-chan-Yamete-kudasai]

You didn’t even read what we were debating; you just came in and shared your thoughts. Please don’t interfere.

[jaded_sakura77-psn]

First of all you have no ownership right over this topic, who are you?

Second of all your only argument was “grind a whole tree in modes that most people don’t even enjoy playing and only do it cause they have to”

[RunaDacino]

They nerfed air sim rewards recently significantly.

3.0 to 2.3 multiplier.

Not everyone flies a bomber. I consider it a good lobby to get like 4-5000 score flying my F4U-4 or P-51 against a competent enemy team over a 3 hour game. I’m also having fun. Most likely I won’t be getting 10-12 kills, more likely 4-5 so a score of 2500-3000 is much more realistic.

That’s going to be less than half the daily 22K score requirement.

[Oni-chan-Yamete-kudasai]

They want to say that you need invested time, BUT OF COURSE YOU DO. Do you really think a CAS player didn’t have to grind both sides, air and ground, to do what they do? They didn’t have to learn to defend themselves in various situations? They didn’t have to learn positioning on maps to acquire the necessary points? Man, what I have the most is time invested in this game don’t come at me with excuses that you can’t invest your time researching two tech trees.

Sorry jaded, it’s not for u.

[jaded_sakura77-psn]

I am capable of playing planes. I don’t want to. How hard is that to understand? What’s wrong with GF only? I don’t want to play vehicles and modes I don’t enjoy just to stay competitive.

Seems many here share my sentiments

[TheAceOfAces]

@Oni-chan-Yamete-kudasai

Imagine me investing my time in each of those nations to acquire both tanks and planes so that I have a decent chance in tank matches. And you come and tell me that’s not a valid argument?

You, simply by virtue of obtaining what you have - are not the average player.

The average player (statistically) is F2P. The average player doesn’t play the game anywhere near as much as you, I, or as most of us on the forums. The average player does not have premiums to accelerate their grind, the average player does not have a premium account. It takes the average player months / years to reach the end of a single tree.

You can say to this something like ‘Well he can grind events and sell market items to get premiums’, but the average player doesn’t have several hours per day over a 1-2 week period to spend laboriously grinding pixel vehicles in games in the manner you or i would be willing to do. I’d bet most casual players aren’t even aware of this feature at all because they don’t interact with the game outside of the client.

It is wrong to gatekeep the solution to CAS in a manner that is inaccessible to a large portion of the games audience. Most people don’t sink hundreds / thousands of hours into a game - and that’s how long it takes to unlock whole nations in WT. CAS players don’t just deserve an ‘i win button’ because they sunk way more time into the game than someone else. That’s not very fair.

[RunaDacino]

You ground air to play air.

I grind my american tech tree to fly cool american carrier based aircraft. I have rank 6 american planes

I grind tanks to play tanks.

I ground my british ground to play look looking early cold war tanks like centurions.
I ground my german ground to get tigers and panthers.

I ground soviet ground and air for easy mode ground rb battlepass challenges and tasks (KV-1 zis-5 is a bit broken in downtiers, yak-9 speaks for itself.) Also t-34s look cool.

Air-wise, grinding british air for me is a waste as american air is bluefor, british air is bluefor - so I’ll be on the same side of the matchmaker in both cases and the reason I want a second air tree is ability to join the lower pop side. Grinding german and russian air is handy as they’re redfor, but neither tree has cool carrier based aircraft (russia gets 2 vtols at top tier.) Japan air interests me (ww2 is almost all naval!), but japan tanks don’t.

And I also want my RP gains to go towards a tank, not a plane. A good tiger game is ~5K RP surviving 20 minutes, getting 10 kills and the like. I spawn a plane to counter the corsair spam and I get 0 RP towards tiger IIs.

Ground RB air combat is the worst of ARB and sim too: It’s small, it’s cramped, it’s claustrophobic full of third partying and planes phasing into reality… and it has horrible rewards. If I want rewards, I got ARB. If I want fun, I got ASB.

Edit:

Clarifying on cramped & claustrophobic:

You see enemy plane. You dive on them until they’re within reasonable gun range. They’re diving away and maintaining speed. Your difference is about 100 km/h with advantage due to cutting off their flight path.

2-3 kilometres later: you’re over their airfield and got turned yellow with an oil leak by their airfield AAA.

Inverse is true: you extend away after making a gunpass and… your enemy cannot aggress you back as you’re right back over your AAA while trying to create a 2-3 km distance to re-engage.

[jaded_sakura77-psn]

Hit the nail on the head.

I will fly my Seafury when I feel like flying it, not cause I’m forced to deal with some AmeriCAS zomber dropping a 2000lb bomb on my tank.

Which is quite frankly a gameplay element nobody asked for. It’s simply a consequence of poor game design.

[Oni-chan-Yamete-kudasai]

And do you think it’s fair to blind, incapacitate, increase, or even eliminate CAS from matches? And what kind of player can’t grind an event for 45,000 points a day at tier 3? For the love of God, what generation is this that wants an excuse for everything? “If I don’t win the match because I only have a tank and was unable to research a jet, I need to come to the forum to screw over the other player who did both tech trees just so I can be happy.”

Want to be happy? Play PvE tank matches; you can still earn a 300% boost in them. The rewards in PP aren’t great, but in 8 years, you can reach tier 2 just playing in that mode.

It’s not possible to be F2P when Gaijin itself has made events easier. You have one month to complete an event, one month of pause for the next, two days to earn 65,000 points, and three weeks and three days to reach 750,000 points. In each match, you earn at least 2,400 to 1,800 points in ground battles and 5,000 to 3,200 in simulation, both with a 1.8X multiplier plus the vehicle’s BR multiplier. THERE ARE NO EXCUSES for being F2P; there’s no way to avoid having premium vehicles. MOST of the premium vehicles shown in my screenshot were acquired through EVENTS.

[Oni-chan-Yamete-kudasai]

I don’t have time; if one mode gives me more points, I’m going to use that mode. If one mode helps me research faster, I’ll use that mode. So, there are no excuses for you to reach the top tier in both modes of the game. This is nothing but excuses made to please people who are incapable of putting in the basic effort to acquire and achieve what they need.

[jaded_sakura77-psn]

Evidently, you have more than enough time, approximately 44 hours of battles over the past 7 days assuming each one lasts 15 minutes. I’m sure this is not even the maximum you would put if there was an event.

This is simply contradictory. I’m surprised you have any time to eat.

[Oni-chan-Yamete-kudasai]

It doesn’t matter; this has simply turned into a 5v1 argument. It makes no sense to try to explain things. If you’re comfortable thinking this way, then be happy. Nothing they do or introduce to the game that increases my CAS points or any other form (other than removing CAS from matches) will affect my performance in helping my team. If you want a comfort zone, I recommend you go play BF4 or BF 2042 and be happy there.

[Oni-chan-Yamete-kudasai]

It’s unfortunate; you don’t read anything. I keep the game open, and sometimes I let my brother play while I run errands around the city. For God’s sake, who spends 44 hours playing a game? How bad does someone have to be to need 44 hours to grind one star of 65,000 points?

[Oni-chan-Yamete-kudasai]

It doesn’t matter; think what you want. I’m leaving because I don’t see a point of balance for both sides.

[jaded_sakura77-psn]

I don’t have access to the time you had the game open. All I have access to is your battle count. It’s a very simple calculation and I don’t know how long the battles were or how many somebody else played.