Problem with ADATS is that there’s very little info on the Thai variant. They owned a semi-mobile variant and they clearly moved it at some point, since there are images of it in a few different locations, but I don’t think we don’t know what vehicle it was moved on, or whether or not it was transported in a manner where the weapons system would still be usable, so it’d be hard to accurately implement (unless someone has this information)
I would love to see Thailand as a Japanese sub tree. It would fix a lot of problems that Japan is currently facing.
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Interestingly, on the IFV side, Thailand also has indigenous IFVs that can be fitted in mid to high tiers as well.
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DTI Black Widow Spider: In collaboration with Ricardo Defense, Defence Technology Institute (DTI), Black Widow Spider IFV ,or BWS for short, is the IFV that won against the Chaiseri Tiger 1, the proposed IFV that was quite similar with CM-32, and is now in the stage of produced prototype, as well as the early variant is now currently being used by Royal Thai Marine Corps.
(Pictures and details from https://www.asianmilitaryreview.com/2020/07/dti-delivers-black-widow-spider-8x8-to-royal-thai-army-for-test/) -
DTI Sea Tiger: In collaboration with Naval Research and Development Office (NRDO), DTI Sea Tiger 8x8 is the wheeled amphibious armored vehicle designed by DTI and manufactured by Cho Thavee Public Company Limited in Thailand. According to the report, it is equipped with a Remote Weapons Station (RWS) turret of the ADDER M30 type, which has a 30mm size and is sourced from ST Kinetics in Singapore.
(Source and detail from: DTI Thailand delivered Sea Tiger AAPC 8x8 Amphibious Armored Personnel Carriers to Royal Thai Marine Corps | Defense News June 2023 Global Security army industry | Defense Security global news industry army year 2023 | Archive News year (armyrecognition.com) -
PANUS Assembly R-600: Submitted and proposed to the Royal Thai Navy in 2021, PANUS R-600 is also the wheeled amphibious armored vehicle currently being used by Royal Thai Marine Corps as well as underdevelopment further by PANUS. Compared with DTI’s designs, PANUS R-600 is quite larger in order to maintain the buoyancy and mobility in the water, as well as provide space for its technical components, such as RV Connex’s Battlefield Management System, Waterjet, and self-sealing fuel tanks. It is also capable of equipping or adding several utility and heavy-duty modules, such as 30mm, 105mm, or even missile systems, but at the cost of amphibius capability.
(Detail and Interview in Thai: พนัส R600 8×8: รู้จักแนวคิดและเบื้องหลังการออกแบบยานเกราะฝีมือคนไทย – thaiarmedforce
Bonus: Thai V-150 (AKA Cadillac Gage Commando)
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I decided to make a draft of what a potential Thai & Filipino sub tree would look like in the Japanese TT, i also added some other vehicles Japan operated that are not in game as the making of this post into the draft as well
Note: This is a draft so a lot of things are subject to change and i’ll add symbols to indicate which vehicle is Japanese, Filipino or Thai since there are Thai and Filipino vehicles in the SPG/TD & SPAA lines.
An Air and Heil/Heil & COIN TT will be coming soon
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Aside from the comment on Wikipedia and a single reference in the document from Forecast International there isn’t any evidence that the Roland M3S had anything to do with Thailand. Interestingly Janes Land-Based Air Defense 1992-1993 claims that Thailand had ordered Crotale NG in tracked and semi-mobile form, but there is no other reference to this online (in English at least), and in 1993 Thailand acquired the semi-mobile ADATS.
Also, on ADATS this little graphic is interesting, although there are still no images of the semi-mobile variant of ADATS (both the prototype and the Thai variant) mounted to a 7t truck.
ADATS was use by royal thai air force in static shelter-based system version
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More R600 Platform. [Draft] From Thailand Defence and Security 2019
I mainly added the Roland/Crotale in the draft partially because Thailand is interested in it and also as a gap filler, it will be replaced on a later date when a more sufficient replacement is found
Here is the draft for the Thai & Filipino Air Subtree, it will only show Tier-IV to Tier-VIII since that is the Tiers that need Thai & Filipino Aircraft the most in the Japanese TT, again like with my ground TT, this is a rough draft so things are still subject to change
Two notes
1: Even though it does not show Tier I-III, the Earlier Thai Aircraft (Tier I & Early Tier II) will be in it, Tier I-III Japan is not lacking in aircraft but it will still add some variety to the TT. The Thai Helldiver and Firefly will be added in the Dive & Naval Bomber as well as the Filipino T-28D in the Heavy Fighter line since these three aircraft will greatly boost the ground attack potential of the Japanese TT
2: My draft lacks the OV-10, this is intentional since i decided that they will be better off either in the Heil TT or in a new COIN air TT, this especially applies to the Super Tucanoes that the Philippine airforce operates for very obvious reasons
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There is a late service version of the F-2A as well;
Japan also used the F-35A and soon the F-35B. In future there are also the F-15JSI and F-3.
Most if not all of those mentioned aircraft will be added when Tier IX is announced, for the time being they will be absent
Glad to see lesser known stuff like the T-610 on there. Maybe you already have some of this stuff planned for the COIN tree, but here are some others
AC-235
AC-295
Both have hellfires on light cargo aircraft and would be a really good fit in that tree.
SF.260
Single engine prop trainer with rockets and bombs.
RTAF-5
Domestic Thai that looks similar to an OV-10, but a reallly light loadout.
AU-23A
Single engine high wing that looks like a big Cesena with rocket pods and a door mounted M197
Also the PAF selected and almost adopted the F/A-18C/D, but couldnt allocate the budget.
A somewhat unrelated note, but I’d also personally wishlist the Ka-Ho for an event/premium; 57mm gun, 2 sponson flamethrowers.
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All of those will be added into the COIN TT
Just to let everyone know that the COIN TT will only contain 2 Japanese aircraft (LR-1 & Toyo FD-25), primarily due to Japanese Aircraft doctrine focuses more on Anti Shipping, Anti Submarine and Patrol duties over COIN
Finally i may need to look further into the Fantrainer (used by Thailand), GAF Nomad (used by both) and PAC CT-4 (used by Thailand) since i know that for the first mentioned aircraft, armament loadouts were proposed for it, the second aircraft in question is allegedly it can carry some ordinances as well and the last mentioned can definitely carry secondary loadouts with a pair of rocketpods being one that i definitely know of
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Honestly more reason as a potential sub tree for Japan.
There are 3 potential subtrees for Japan, and this is one of the options.
Forgot to yeet the R2Y2, and forgot F-15s are definitely going after EJ Kai.
This looks absolutely amazing!
For the submarine and submersible side, since War Thunder might get the submarine/U-boat update in the future, Thailand also once had its own submarine fleet of 4 submarines in total: HTMS Matchanu (The first of its class), HTMS Wirun, HTMS Sinsamut, and HTMS Phlai-chumphon, all of which were build by the Mitsubishi Heavy Industries and saw combats during the Franco-Thai war, and the Second War. However, due to the Japanese surrender and subsequent disarmament of Japan, all four of them were later decommissioned and sold to Siam Cement Company for scrap.
On the other note, as I saw that the conversation also began to include other South East Asian nations besides Thailand, I also came up with the draft design for the South East Asian update + Japanese Tech tree expansion, named update “Nanshin-ron” or Southern Expansion (南進論). The name Nanshin-ron was the name of the political and military doctrine regarding Japanese expansion southward to region of Southeast Asia aiming to expand its sphere of influence as well as secure the resources from the region.
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Are you promoting Japanese imperialism? Southeast Asia is a group of independent countries, and there is no reason for them to join the Science and technology in Japan tree! I believe that those who were occupied by Japan in World War II and whose country was massacred will not agree to put their country in the Science and technology in Japan Tree!
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Sir, Japan apologized to your country in the 1970s. 1954 if you’re from the ROC.
And Japan has good ties with South Korea, Indonesia, and Thailand.
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