Nowhere because those are subtrees.
And the ROC is also a subtree for China tree, that it is.
If u want to say why, ask bvvd.
If u want to say no, tell bvvd.
Bye.
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As I said, the the People’s Republic of China belongs to China, and the Republic of China also belongs to China. They are just normal regime changes and essentially belong to one country! Not two countries!
Except the ROC is clearly not a subtree
Since when do subtrees make up a major part of a tech tree? Or come at the same time as the main tree?
So just give Japan the western tech it’s that simple.
Gaijin has never made it clear what qualifies a sub tree to a nation. “Do they need to have connections?”, “Does that nation need to have vehicles already present in the TT?” Frankly Gaijin has never given us those response. With recent additions such as F-16AJ, German Hunter, Swedish trialed vehicles gaijin can put whoever and whatever to any TT if its for balancing reasons.
The vehicles the OP suggested could all be added to Japan if that is what Gaijin wants. At the end of the day its their game.
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Has anyone set these rules, God?
Why did no you ask for the separation of East Germany and West Germany? It’s better to separate Nxxi Germany again.
If you say ROC, it is a subtree of a Chinese tree, and there is nothing unreasonable about it.
If you say Taiwan, those two flags are just flags from the same country in different eras, which is more feasible.
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I agree with this statement.
If you wish to separate like this, East and West Germany in Germany should also separate,
Like I said it’s their game. If Gaijin wants to keep west and east Germany together they can.
There are no set rules across the board. if you want evidence look at the F-16AJ, German Hunter and Swedish trialed vehicles. Others don’t get this treatment because they can add what they want to anyone if gaijins thinks it’s necessary.
Fact of the matter is Japan needs a sub tree and it’s clear Gaijin no longer cares about what nations get what as long as its for balancing they will do it. Does Japan have connections with post war Thailand no of course not. But gaijin can add certain vehicles if it means it will help that nation.
In fact, we don’t need to argue anything, the reason is simple. Gaijin is a company with the aim of making money. They won’t put XXX vehicles into Japan without possibly angering XXX players, such as China, South Korea, Singapore, and more. Gaijin has no obligation to do so.
Thailand’s vehicles will ultimately only go to their manufacturing country, let alone the Thai military equipment are currently gradually approaching China.
There is actually no point in this debate, as other countries with their own military industries are clearly more likely to appear in the WT compared to Thailand.
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And what Japan desperately needs is dedicated CAS with guided air to ground weapons and SAMs Gaijin can add vehicles to specifically fill those roles just like how Japan got the F-16AJ to fill the multi-role CAS because that is what they seemed was necessary.
In fact, the rule always exists, which is profit. As I mentioned earlier, the F-16AJ can provide revenue without angering players from any country, it perfectly follows the rules.
Exactly im not saying Thailand is what is coming it can literally be U.S equipment stationed in Japan for all we know. And it can even proposed stuff as well we simply don’t know.
My point is that Japan has gaps and specific needs and it will be up to Gaijin to decide what they want to put in there to fill those needs it doesn’t specifically have to be Thailand vehicles but it can if that is what they want to do.
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Haha, I think it’s possible to merge South Korea as a sub line into Japan, after all, with the help of the United States, the South Korean government has given up its history of being invaded by Japan (This is a joke)
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Keep the discussion close to the tech tree and research please. While I do have my own opinion on Taiwan question, this is the discussion regarding Thailand as a sub tech tree for JP especially because of its connection with Japan historically. I do understand some concerns, especially from Chinese players, that they don’t want to see their vehicles in JP tech tree, and if that is such a concern, Thailand minor tree can still exist under JP Tech tree even without including CN Vehicles , just like how Finland is in Swedish Tree, not all Finnish vehicles are there, but the signatory ones. The problem is, however, is that JP tech tree is nearly as dry as Italy or Israel (Look at Rank VII JP, for example). Also, as a Thai player, I want to at least see my nation in the tech tree, we do have our interesting designs especially when it comes to upgrading or maintaining the current inventory that’s quite unique (RTA M60 MBT, F-5TH, F-5THF, for example).
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Japan is the only non-ASEAN member with any kind of security agreement and a direct defense communication like this. As far as relationships go ASEAN and it’s members is much more friendly towards Japan than anyone else because Japan doesn’t have an active territorial dispute with half it’s members while illegally fishing and harassing said nations.
Every time a sub-tree for Japan comes up people swap position on what makes a valid claim for such a tree? Strong modern day allies? “Nope they were unfriendly in the past so it doesn’t count.” Friendly or a territory and used Japanese equipment in the past? “Nope only modern relations matter now.”
Gaijin has proven that both past relations with unfriendly modern relations (SA and maybe India soon) or bad past relations with friendly modern relations (Finland) are valid grounds for a sub-tree. If we go for by the former of good historical relations/former territory then Thailand or SK would be the sub-tree pick. If we go by modern relations then it’s basically any ASEAN nation as a candidate with highlights of Philippines, Malaysia, or Indonesia as the sub-tree pick.
Thailand was also offered the HVSD/ADAMS
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But by comparison, I still think South Korea should be put into Science and technology in Japan’s science and technology tree as a sub line, because they all have American weapons, are both Satellite state of the United States, and are located in East Asia
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And we are basically returning to the point of “angering playerbase from name country”.
I much prefer the idea of a Thai sub-tree than to have to resort to alt-history proposals such as the F-16AJ, I believe at least to start out, I’d love to see some WW2-era Thai equipment, as well as equipment that would benefit Japan most critically gameplay-wise.
The Curtiss H-75N Hawk, which in Thai service appeared to have been modified with 20 or 23mm Madsens and 10 bombs, would offer a unique fixed gear Hawk with a unique set of weapons, and it would be a great starter for Thai aircraft.
Here is a Thai T17 with a Japanese 20mm Type 97 ATR, which would have questionable efficiency, but I believe offers significant entertainment potential as a meme truck
Thonburi would be a great way to cap off the current coastal tree in Japan, as it offers up a rather unique coastal gameplay asset, as well as having the strongest 20cm turrets Japan ever manufactured (102mm protection!)
Maeklong could offer itself as a historically significant vessel for either low tier blue water or high tier coastal, and is one of the few fully intact ships of its kind to this day.
Moving past WW2, of utmost concern regarding Japanese tree gaps, at least in the aircraft department, I see two major areas; the first is late war/early cold war CAS, and the second is ranks 6-7.
For the former concern, a Thai OV-10 Bronco, released in tandem with an American one, would largely address this problem, and the latter, I believe would largely be resolved by the F-5 series.
Overall though, I believe there’s a lot of room to explore exciting content, and seeing as Japan currently is the only country aside from Israel to not have any foreign operator vehicles in its tree, as well as being one of the original 5 factions from closed beta, I believe it’s high time to start considering extra-national options.
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In the naval department, Thailand can be quite interesting and fun to explore, from the wartime Navy to the post war navy. As I have posted in the Wishlist for the next patch, since War Thunder now has French Navy, maybe it’s time also to expand the far eastern threats and arsenals to match that of the French (Battle Of Koh Chang during Franco-Thai war comes to mind)
Spoiler: The detail I posted in the Wishlist
- New Naval Map: Battle Of Koh Chang (1941): The most important naval engagement of Franco-Thai War which saw the French navy fighting against Royal Thai Navy, consisting of most Japanese built ships.
- New Ships for Japanese Naval Tree:
- HTMS Thonburi
- HTMS Rayong
- HTMS Songkhra
Also, a little funny story involving Thai Navy ship. During the “Manhattan Rebellion”, the prime minister at the time, Plaek Pibulsonggram, was taken as a hostage and brought aboard he Navy’s flagship HTMS Sri Ayudhya. However, despite prime minister being onboard at the time, the fight ensued and the ship was sunk, forcing prime minister himself to swim ashore.
HTMS Sri Ayudhya
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Another low tier addition for a Thai sub-tree. I don’t know how practical it would be to add as multiple similar domestic systems could be added for Japan. (Type 73 version)
As for SPAA:
Starstreak/LML on a Thairung MU4 (Based on a Toyota Hilux Vigo/ Isuzu D-Max)
RBS-70 mounted on a Thairung Transformer (Based on a Toyota Hilux Revo)
Indonesian Isuzu Elf with a dual 23mm cannon on the rear
Also for trialed SPAA of Indoensia as potential additions:
Bofors trinity 40mm L/70 mounted on a Bradley offered to Indonesia.
Skyranger 30 turret mockup on a Pindad Badak. While a mockup right now I would imagine a real turret will be shown later down the road.
