I never knew J-7D’s PL-5B had IRCCM /s
I mean, J-7D is a problematic plane, and it needs to move up to 11.0BR along with damn F-5 after proper decompression is held
But currently, I wonder, would it be stronger than F-4EJ or MiG-21Bis?
Sadly, R-60M is an all-aspect missile, and Gaijin dislikes all-aspect missiles with a supersonic fuselage at low BR.
I never knew J-7D’s PL-5B had IRCCM /s
Oh so you are a redditor, now I understand.
Some missiles do not need IRCCM’s, if they’re fast enough and have a small enough seeker head, they can strike without seeing a single flare under certain situations. Just like i’ve been scoring more kills head on with aim9j’s, r13m’s and aim9e’s than any other aspects, even if the missiles are rear-side aspect.
I mean, J-7D is a problematic plane, and it needs to move up to 11.0BR along with damn F-5 after proper decompression is held
You see how you’re evolving your argument from “it’s an ok ish plane” to “it really has to go up”? Also, what is with the F-5C? You can give it the zero treatment just fine, in fact, you can just outdogfight it even on an SU25 carrying 8 minutes of fuel and two missiles. You can decide not to engage an f-5c, cause you can outrun it. You can’t outrun the J7D, nor outdogfight it.
But currently, I wonder, would it be stronger than F-4EJ or MiG-21Bis?
It would be as strong as the MIG21 Bis. Little less power, better missiles.
Sadly, R-60M is an all-aspect missile, and Gaijin dislikes all-aspect missiles with a supersonic fuselage at low BR.
What kind of logic is this? The R60 is literally the same as the R60m in performance, other than it’s rear aspect only. Same shiddy pull, same tendency to start pulling when it’s too late etc. I literally take R13M’s over R60s, they’re actually even better in head ons. R60s “pull 30g’s” except they actually pull less than 20.
The missile is so stupid fast with a relatively small seeker FoV that it has much lower reaction time for counterplay that will decoy the missile
You practically have to pre-flare it to reliably make sure it doesn’t connect if the pilot launching it is smart enough to get within 2.5km before launch
Mig21 bis is a beast in the speed dept. It.has to have better power to weight as it smokes the J7D
J7D feels better when slow but thats just feeling as iv never looked it up…
Called a redditor when I don’t use WT reddit, peak moment.
What I meant in that context was that you are overreacting to it, as it has IRCCM,
Yes, it is hard to deal with because its seeker is small, and flies fast, especially when you fly something hot such as a Harrier (Which shouldn’t be in IRL)
But it isn’t technically an IRCCM missile.
it is your habit that exaggrating things since you complained about F-5C or 30mm autocannons.
No?
Problem of J-7D is, too good to keep them in current 10.7BR but cannot go up due to shittons of compression in upper BR starting to 11.0 till 14.7
Typical US Main moment, when F-104 bullying subsonics, ‘just ignore it because it can do nothing’, and when F-5C bullying other planes, ‘just ignore it because it can do nothing’
I don’t think it would be strong as MiG-21bis, and capable of fight agaisnt F-4S or Tornado F.3(Which both are 12.0BR)
It might be fine if decompression hits and both F-4S and Tonka F.3 become higher BR.
What kind of logic? Gaijin kind of logic, No matter wherther R-60M is major improvement of R-60 or not, Gaijin is frighten about All-aspect missile with supersonic fuselage.
When Gaijin underestimate subsonic with all-aspect missile and letting them hunt flareless poor bastards easily.
the mig21 bis is faster, but the j7d dogfights better. This makes it already better than the F-5C and E, because it outdogfights them in an air RB scenario (where rate fights are heavily discouraged) while being faster. Accel between stall speed and 1000 ias is also superior in the j7d.
Called a redditor when I don’t use WT reddit, peak moment.
You may not use wt reddit, but you do use reddit because you literally speak like one and use the same lingo and phrasal particles. Here this very phrase is something you would find flooding reddit threads.
What I meant in that context was that you are overreacting to it, as it has IRCCM,
No, I’m not overreacting as if it had IRCCM, it’s seeker head is ridiculously small and the missile accelerates very fast from the start making it a fantastic battering ram. If I can kill a MiG23MLD head on with an AIM9E despite the MiG flares LARGE CALIBER COUNTERMEASURES, why wouldn’t a PL5 kill anything else below 1km while flaring?
But it isn’t technically an IRCCM missile.
Never ever did I say it had IRCCM, at least in this thread.
it is your habit that exaggrating things since you complained about F-5C or 30mm autocannons.
Not an habit, not exaggeration, everyone who actually plays the game has the same opinions, and most of us develop such opinions around the same time frame. The 30mm cannons have been debuffed innumerable times due to realshatter, and the f-5c is dogass in air RB because nobody engages. It’s almost unbeatable in a duel, but duels don’t usually happen in air RB and even if there’s one guy left it will rather be smart and treat the f-5c like the Zero, because it’s literally the Zero of supersonics.
I don’t think it would be strong as MiG-21bis, and capable of fight agaisnt F-4S or Tornado F.3(Which both are 12.0BR)
Both of which I kill head on every time I have the chance. In fact, most of my AIM9E kills are against planes in a head on, especially against planes the f-5c can’t really cope against.
What kind of logic? Gaijin kind of logic, No matter wherther R-60M is major improvement of R-60 or not, Gaijin is frighten about All-aspect missile with supersonic fuselage.
What? No. AIM9M’s have been busted from the start. Firestreak missiles are goated, they can lock a puny yak23 from the side.
T/W isnt worse on 21bis, don’t make up lies
It’s worse at slower speeds cause the MiG21 bis is heavier.
Also, please look at this:
This is a PL5B completely ignoring flares from 3km away against a plane that doesn’t afterburn
You will say “that’s just something that barely happens”
But it happened from 3km away, if that happened, then one secures kills with pl5b’s even head on from 1km away or less.
Nothing to do with what you said. MIg21bis TW is higher than J7D TW. End.
Skill issue. They don’t ever “ignore” flares. You just flare improperly.
Bruh I’m not an alt account
In a Mig-25 I’d just try to run away while dropping a few flares in bursts.
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If you have any issues against these missiles please try looking behind/above you and pressing your flare key if you see a red diamond
You completely ignored the screenshots i sent you, the mig25 even pre-flared.
It’s the MiG’s fault for being so low with such a hot engine and not knowing how to flare when you do have such hot engines, this missile is hard countered by being aware and popping flares, that’s all there is to it
People who think the j7d is not OP are just p2w abusers, it’s just that simple.
Off-topic discussion, which doesn’t need to be at all, I really wonder why the heck you want to believe that I use Reddit.
Peak cope.
Here is an example, Dwight Schrute speaks like Mussolini, and uses similar lingo at The Office S2E17, so does it mean Rain Wilson supports fascism? no.
How in the world did you reach that conclusion?
Yes, PL-5B is one of the best rear-aspect missiles (well, technically it is, according to Gaijin)
It is nasty to fight against it when you are unaware because the window of opportunity to flare it is narrower than that of other slower missiles.
Still, it doesn’t IGNORE flare like IRCCM missile.
If we sees war thunder forum, I don’t think so.
So, you are claiming that you beat F-4S and Tornado F.3 which are armed with AIM-7F/Skyflash SuperTEMP in head-on by using AIM-9E?
At this rate, with due respect, I can assume that english isn’t your main language.
Think about F-104S/ASA, which were stuck at 12.0BR for decades because of AIM-9L, or F-14A, which is limited to having AIM-9H, or Su-17/22 & MiG-27, which are even worse than MiG-21bis but stuck at 11.0BR because they were capable of using R-60M.
Gaijin is way too scared to let fast supersonic jets have all-aspect missiles, and somehow thinks R-60M is a superior missile to the PL-5B.
You misunderstood my words way too badly.
