People don’t play aircraft properly.
Aswell as HSTV-L with proxy + IRST
Yes, that’s why you’ll see 65Ds and Kh-38s being tossed from 3kms away.
Don’t even know why Gaijin said we need better AAs.
It’s why you see F-4s, A-10A Earlies, and Su-25s rocket rushing.
Well, in defense of the Su-25 players, there’s 0 competent SPAA to actually stop them, so there’s no reason for them to even consider that rocket rushing at toptier would be dumb.
I would agree, but it may just be me. However, the M1s proxy feels incredibly unreliable compared to a few years ago. It seems to go off way too early. But at the same time, I’ve had more luck with the proxy on an HSTV-L or 2S38 killing aircraft (since they get no warning) compared to an otomatic.
That would be nice too
Again, a higher fire rate compensates for worse ammo. The Type10s do not have a special round or armor. What made them highly deadly a year ago (before everyone got a 5s reload buff) was that they had a pretty fast reload for a 120mm round. Volume of fire can make up for poor performance; this has been a known idea for hundreds of years.
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Higher fire rate only matters against aircraft.
Tanks have armor, more rounds bouncing doesn’t mean anything.
You misunderstand what volume of fire means, especially in relation to armored vehicles.
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The type 10s boast enough power to hit any weak point, it lack armor and survivability.
Meanwhile: an abrams, can eat a round to the breech, totally hull down and only lose a cannon.
2s38:
-reload speed
-can float
-various ammo types
Hstvl:
-gun depression
-speed
-higher pen
-bigger shell / more spall
-vastly better chance to bounce / eat rounds.
-can play any map with realities ease
-far lower profile
Thermal generation doesn’t matter. It’s meant for acquisition. Irl it would really indicate range in which and enemy would be visible (gaijin doesn’t model this).
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more depression, more mobility, and because of the p2w and russian bias the 2s38 is much lower than it should be. HSTVL is somewhat still better though
OTOMATIC has IRT as well.
Type 10 dart is far from being the worst top tier round.
What made them deadly is the combination of great mobility, good optics and insane fire rate. If they had some more armor and gun handling, they’ll be blatantly busted at 12.0.
yeah, 2S38 kills any modern tank in this game in 2-3 seconds (4-6 shoots)) from 1500m - and ofcourse centrally - how it’s posiible that 50+mm gun has so much power in ling distances??. It has so many advantages over HSTVL and is 1.4 BR lower - it is joke.
It can swim, has many rounds (HSTVL often dies because of low ammo count, when you are empty, you can do nothing), it has great optics, has better hull angles when hunting planes, much more armor for a planes (HSTVL it is very very limited, usually 5-6 for planes only), in 2s38 U can spam on planes, it has laser warning, engine smoke, better side armor.
2S38 should goes up, even higher then HSTVL, but it would not happened - it is pay for win machine, and everyone knows it.
There was many polls on old WT forum - 80+ % people wanted to change it’s BR up, but Gaijin updated to a new forum without polls - great movement.
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There are polls in the new forum.
I refuse to believe that it is better than the HSTV-L, especially since the Cv90s and stuff around the same BR seem comparable.
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The comparison for the 9040C Vs the 2S38 is silly to me as they are very different. 9040C cant track air targets and has no remote control turret. Its limited to 24 rounds before needing to wait 1 min 20 sec to reload. Vs the 2S38 which has more pen, better survivability and a full ammo loader to fallback on. Imo the HSTV-L is more comparable to the 9040C since limited ammo capacity. So the 2S38 gets the better weapon system ober the 9040C while having better hull down which works on more maps. Idk seems more like money bias than anything else.
Imo HSTV-L, then 2S38, then CV9040, this is my list of best gun only IFV’s when it comes to pen.
I definitely agree with this.
I think that the 2S38 is still undertiered, but not as bad as people say.
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Imo it should be a step up from the 9040’s so 10.7 would be the best spot for it. Since i also disagree with Alvis that the 9040 and the 2S38 are equal rather the puma and 9040 are better counters. Puma loses pen for armor and survivability along with prolonged reload. Though idk if id say they are exact equals. Some matches i do good in the puma other i do bad.
The comparison between the 9040B and 9040C is sad too. IMO the 9040C is just a shit vehicle. At least the 9040B has a low BR, much better mobility, and more ammo. All it loses is some useless composite and a slightly worse round and is two BRs lower.
To be completely honest the 9040C could be 9.7 and just lose the better round and would be more balanced there.
As for the 2S38, 10.3 is fine currently. I wouldn’t be upset if it were 10.7 either. But it’s ridiculously easy to kill. The issue is when you mess up a shot, you have to reload which leaves you vulnerable. But if the 2S38 messes up a shot, they have over a hundred more ready to go. But that’s a feature inherent to auto lights.
Idk, the 9040C to me is better than the puma for just the gun but then the reload and lack of mobility and armor makes me wanna cry lol. Its why imo the CV9035 is the best all round gun ifv. Great gun and dual belt feed so you can swap to aphe in 1 sec and it has amazing mobility. The puma is nice but the gun being shot makes me sad sometimes though when the 9040 or the 9035 get shots they are a free kill so it balances out.
Really the 9040B should go back to 9.3 so the CV9030 can be removed from the game lmao. That vehicle is the worst ifv to exist lol
At least the PUMA is mobile, and is relatively survivable due to the blowout panels and crewless turret. Gun is weaker but you also get IRST and airburst munitions which are… usable I guess.
I actually prefer using the 9040B over the 9040C in my 10.7 Swede lineup lol
9040B is the best 9040 for mobility alone. But it has no lineup at 9.7 realistically 9.3 is a worthless BR and having it go back would be nice since at least it can help the lineup.
I still keep the 9040B at 12.0 not that i play that lol. I only play up to 11.3 since i play only CV90’s
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All advantages are better thermals, fire rate and more ammo.
On the other hand, HSTV-L has much better mobility, gun depression, shell and spalling.
2S38 is a weird vehicle, it has an unmanned turret but has only -5 degrees of gun depression, so utilizing ratty hull down spots is challenging. It’s also pretty slow for a light tank, with only 23.3 HP/t it will get outpaced by many MBTs and light tanks which kind of defeats the purpose of it being a light tank.
Yeah I don’t think 2S38 is a 12.0 worthy machine, not by a long shot.