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I have the 2S38, and anyone who says it’s 10.0 is acting in bad faith. If this tank were part of the regular lineup of any other nation, it would be at 11.3, but since it’s premium, we know why it’s at this BR. The bad thing about the WT community is that people insist on going against the obvious for their own benefit.
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OTOMATIC has better anti-air capabilities and better APFSDS, and even then it’s fairly weak at 11.3.
I’m not sure about that. I think it would fit 10.7-11.0 just fine, 11.3 might be pushing it. It’s certainly much less frustrating to fight against now that the new modules have been added.
Not me justifying it being at 10.3 btw. I do think it should go up, just not a whole 1.0 BR.
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I do not have the 2S38 because it’s bad, even if it were 9.3 I would never ever first spawn it over the T-72A. Light tanks are off-meta and the great bulk of them are outrageously overtiered.
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That is simply incorrect. Light tanks have recently become the new meta, which I think Gaijin has acknowledged, judging how they are adding vehicles like the Fox, BMD, RDF, XM800, etc. Versatility allows you to take rapid control of the battlefield, same with versatility through speed or fire.
Light tanks are getting weaker as you climb in BR. From 10.0 up, scout drones and scout ability is what’s keeping them decent.
Exactly, the HSTVL at 11.7 is a tank with excellent performance wasted at top tier. The 2S38, which performs similarly (we don’t see it in matches because it’s a premium vehicle that everyone can buy), is at 10.0 and is very strong at this BR.
XM8, CCVL, 2S38, Striker, Rooikat, Centauro, 2S25M, and Tam are far from being bad vehicles. Past that, you get into more autocannon missile light tanks. These are mostly terrible because they’ve either been gimped through missile rebalances or don’t carry a lot of missiles to begin with, which is often their primary and most useful weapon (Namer, Puma, KF41). An exception to this is the BMP-2M.
2S38 is 10.3, and is vastly inferior to HSTVL.
HSTVL at 11.7 is exactly as powerful as 2S38 is at 10.3.
Currently, the HSTV-L could be moved to a lower BR without issue. But if Gaijin changed it to be more reflective of its IRL self, then it could easily be placed at 12.7 while still being a comfortable vehicle at said BR. I think the 2S38 should be raised to 10.7 or 11.0, and the current HSTV-L should be lowered to 10.7 or 11.0.
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How?
- They have a similar pen currently.
- 2S38 has a faster loading
- 2S38 has better thermals
- 2S38 has more than triple the ammo of the HSTV-L
- 2S38 has a crewless turret
- HSTV-L is more mobile
- HSTV-L has better gun depression
They are both very similar to one another.
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So your post is arguing that Strf 9040C, 2S38, and HSTVL all have similar pen.
I bring up Strf 9040C as that’s the implication, as Strf 9040C is as far away from the pen of 2S38 as HSTVL is from the pen of 2S38.
2- Faster reloading doesn’t matter as they’re not facing each other.
3- Marginal difference.
4- Which only matters against aircraft. HSTVL has 26 rounds, which worst case is 5 frags. If you get more than 5 frags per match in HSTVL that’s a KMR of 5:1, and a KDR of likely over 5:1. In reality, HSTVL has enough ammo for ~12 frags of ground targets.
5- Only the commander is in the turret, otherwise HSTVL’s is crewless as well.
Out of everything you mentioned, only mobility matters the most, and your post is ncorrect about penetration.
Most are fine, but what about Striker is good lol ?
120mm Centauro is also meh at best and 2S25M isn’t much better either.
No reason for HSTV-L to be at the same BR as 2S38.
It has more pen, more spall, much better mobility, gun depression and survivability. It lacks in thermals quality, shell count and IRT.
2S38 with it’s 23.3 HP/t at 11.0 would be actually slower than plenty of MBTs, which in the end defeats the purpose of light vehicles. This is one of the problems that haunts 120mm Centauro at 11.7, as it’s basically a slow tank with no armor that has average reload with average shell and average optics.
HSTV-L has crewless turret when commander dies as well.
Having above average mobility is key to any light vehicle, otherwise you’d be better off just playing MBTs.
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