You know both of you arguing over who is toxic or not is really not getting anywhere. Plus if you want to keep going on about it, go to DMs
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Because it wasn’t “goal post” moving? That is just your interpretation of this which is obviously biased… I already said that I had the inclination to believe the HSTV-L wasn’t getting overpressured by HEAT going by my experience playing it… you just assumed and then went on to shit talk and that’s why you’re toxic.
For the record, never insulted you once.
Yes it does.
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SEP doesn’t have a tracking computer for hitting air targets.
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The ADATS is designated a tank destroyer at 11.7, despite having the TD capabilities of something far far lower than that. The only logical reason is because of its strength as an SPAA. It is still a good example of the crazy bias, as it can’t even kill tanks as effectively as russian spaa, but they retain the spaa designation.
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IRT*, no search functionality.
And yes, the 8.7 - 9.0 SPAA have proximity round leading just like 2S38, but also have a search radar.
@SlowHandClap
ADATS proves your statements wrong.
ADATS & 2S38 being treated identically is bias? lol
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Yes, but the 2S38 also has amazing mobility, crewless turret, and an amazing dart round to compliment said SPAA ability? Its the dual purpose that makes it need a BR raise…
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How so? Its a sub-10.0 tank destroyer with the capabilities of 11.7 SPAA.
The 2s38 is a 10.7 light tank with the capabilities of a 10.0+ SPAA.
The light tank designation means it gets scouting capabilities. The ADATS gains no benefit from being TD, it just means two nations don’t have a top tier SPAA for another few years.
We’ve also all forgotten the 2s28 has LWS. Like it has so many other strengths that everyone literally forgot it also has that advantage.
2S38 has slightly more mobility than Strf 9040C, its closest analogue.
HSTVL has more mobility than every MBT in the game, which some of them, like Leopard 2K, have more mobility than all other light vehicles in the game.
83kph top speed, and a power to weight of over 25HP per ton.
Dual-purpose doesn’t increase BRs, it never has, otherwise ZTZ-57-2 would be 8.3 with the PT-76-57.
@SlowHandClap
2S38 has the SPAA capabilities of 9.3, OTOMATIC has a search radar and a bigger round which makes its SPAA capabilities superior to that of 2S38 around 9.7 - 10.0, its DM33 equivalent APFSDS round sadly has been used too effectively by players leading to its over-BR of 11.3.
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Still feel like the HSTV-L would do so much better in the 10.7-10.3 range as opposed to where it is currently ar.
Well, the gun is massively underperforming at the moment. I’d rather they kept it at this BR and ungimped it, but it’s in the wrong tech tree for that treatment.
Currently it’s handicapped compared to real life by:
26 rounds instead of the 60 full capacity
Having much less penetration
Having a much slower rate of fire
Having less variety of ammunition (irl had access to proxy and flechette rounds).
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And its sad to think that they probably wont fix it ever because of how old the vehicles is
That seems like a you problem buddy. I’ve played some HSTV-L and it can easily work, especially against tanks that have 3 crew.
But your point of it being easy to kill with overpressure works for 2S38 as well. Someone that keeps spamming darts to your turret won’t be able to kill HSTV-L because commander doesn’t replenish, but 2S38 can be ammo racked through the turret as well.
As I said above, both of those are really good hull down going against darts, but overpressure easily defeats them both, so I’d have to say both of those have pretty similar hull down performance.
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But the person I replied to said the hstv-l has incredible hull down survivability specifically compared to the 2S38.
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He isn’t that wrong though.
You can ammo rack 2S38 from the turret shot, but HSTV-L’s turret is just empty space and can’t be killed by repeatedly throwing darts at it.
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The primary MBT that the 2s38 faces is the Abrams (which has very weak armor)… It doesn’t just “bounce rounds faster”
This isn’t just a problem with the 2S38. There are plenty of SPAA in the game which need to have their AP rounds removed.
Whose weakspots are “tiny” to quote BVM defenders.
2S38 also isn’t SPAA.
I didn’t say the 2S38 was SPAA, did I?
This doesn’t make enough sense for me to respond to.
Contradicting yourself in the same paragraph. Generation 3 thermal imagers vs Generation 1 is an advantage in optics. HSTV-L also has lesser zoom on the optics. Lower generation thermals do not benefit from the increased FoV in low zoom mode either. 2S38 has objectively superior optics.
There is no contradiction in my post.
You even quoted it perfectly proving no contradiction.
Thermals aren’t the optics, they’re a type of imagery.
And no, 2S38 doesn’t have 2x zoom, which makes them inferior.
Oh this is one of those “razorvon decides to define things differently and incorrectly for no reason” moments isn’t it.
Thermals are a part of the optics suite for a tank. Therefore, classed alongside the optics.
Neither HSTV-L nor 2S38 have 1x zoom optics. Everyone has 1x zoom in third person. HSTV-L has 2x default zoom.