I definitely agree with this.
I think that the 2S38 is still undertiered, but not as bad as people say.
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Imo it should be a step up from the 9040’s so 10.7 would be the best spot for it. Since i also disagree with Alvis that the 9040 and the 2S38 are equal rather the puma and 9040 are better counters. Puma loses pen for armor and survivability along with prolonged reload. Though idk if id say they are exact equals. Some matches i do good in the puma other i do bad.
The comparison between the 9040B and 9040C is sad too. IMO the 9040C is just a shit vehicle. At least the 9040B has a low BR, much better mobility, and more ammo. All it loses is some useless composite and a slightly worse round and is two BRs lower.
To be completely honest the 9040C could be 9.7 and just lose the better round and would be more balanced there.
As for the 2S38, 10.3 is fine currently. I wouldn’t be upset if it were 10.7 either. But it’s ridiculously easy to kill. The issue is when you mess up a shot, you have to reload which leaves you vulnerable. But if the 2S38 messes up a shot, they have over a hundred more ready to go. But that’s a feature inherent to auto lights.
Idk, the 9040C to me is better than the puma for just the gun but then the reload and lack of mobility and armor makes me wanna cry lol. Its why imo the CV9035 is the best all round gun ifv. Great gun and dual belt feed so you can swap to aphe in 1 sec and it has amazing mobility. The puma is nice but the gun being shot makes me sad sometimes though when the 9040 or the 9035 get shots they are a free kill so it balances out.
Really the 9040B should go back to 9.3 so the CV9030 can be removed from the game lmao. That vehicle is the worst ifv to exist lol
At least the PUMA is mobile, and is relatively survivable due to the blowout panels and crewless turret. Gun is weaker but you also get IRST and airburst munitions which are… usable I guess.
I actually prefer using the 9040B over the 9040C in my 10.7 Swede lineup lol
9040B is the best 9040 for mobility alone. But it has no lineup at 9.7 realistically 9.3 is a worthless BR and having it go back would be nice since at least it can help the lineup.
I still keep the 9040B at 12.0 not that i play that lol. I only play up to 11.3 since i play only CV90’s
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All advantages are better thermals, fire rate and more ammo.
On the other hand, HSTV-L has much better mobility, gun depression, shell and spalling.
2S38 is a weird vehicle, it has an unmanned turret but has only -5 degrees of gun depression, so utilizing ratty hull down spots is challenging. It’s also pretty slow for a light tank, with only 23.3 HP/t it will get outpaced by many MBTs and light tanks which kind of defeats the purpose of it being a light tank.
Yeah I don’t think 2S38 is a 12.0 worthy machine, not by a long shot.
I wouldn’t mind it going to 10.7, but that should be more than enough.
Also, I believe loads of similar vehicles are actually overtiered and aren’t as effective as they look, so I wouldn’t have a problem with 9040C (and others alike) to move down in BR by a bit.
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This is simply wrong in every single way. Rounds bouncing is not what’s different; it’s penetration. You often do not kill a tank in the first shot with the HSTV-L and 2S38. If you have a round with low spall, a faster reload decreases the time to kill by a lot. I doubt you play naval, but battlecruisers are typically more deadly than battleships despite having worse armor and guns because they have half the reload speed of a BB.
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@Space_Cat
If you don’t frag a tank in the first shot, you reload faster than the enemy anyway.
I see you took my take on battlecruisers and didn’t credit me.
Stop with the antagonism.
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But that faster reload does help, especially if you fail to knock out the gun/gunner. It also allows a much quicker time to kill, which is very useful against multiple enemies.
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A faster RoF for autocannons does make a large difference in tanks. Compare the BMP-2 to the BMP-3/BTR/BMD-4. It’s firing the exact same ammunition, but the BMP-2 has a substantial advantage in that it fires those rounds almost twice as quickly. This gives several advantages:
- Assuming the rounds don’t oneshot, it gives a faster TTK on average, allowing the enemy less time to react.
- It also means more damage done in a shorter period of time, helping knock out engines/turret rings/crew members/etc faster to prevent the enemy from responding.
- A faster TTK means you can spend less time on a single enemy, allowing you to react faster to multiple enemies at once.
- For rounds with marginal penetration, it gives more oppertunities in the same period of time to find an weakspot for the rounds to go through.
- It’s more forgiving for misplaced shots, as you can try again faster.
The only time I’d say that a high rate of fire isn’t inherently advantageous is when it’s tied to a small ammo pool, since it encourages wasteful spraying and results in running out faster (CV 9040s most notably). Even then, that can be played around.
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Huh? What?..
Yeah . . .
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It’s because br decompression needs to happen again
Well if that went to 10.7 they’d have to move one of the 10.3 AAs down to balance it. As it is the best Russian at that br. Idk about the osa, haven’t played that yet
Strela outshines 2S38 for aircraft easily.
Strela and osa are the same br.
Eh I’ve found the strela to be 50/50 even ok unaware aircraft.
Nothing is worse that the Sidam mistral though for Italy lol what a joke
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since its reload buff, the HSTVL is an absolte fking menace of a tank if you aren’t in something extremely armoured.