That video seems accurate to the HE round on in-game.
Dude, hatred for vehicles is not healthy.
I’ve tried all of the rounds on this vehicle, there is clearly a difference on each from the video. I dislike or sometimes hate the inaccuracy and bias in the game, this vehicle is a prime example of both. Though it does speak volumes when you are not providing sources but instead attacking me directly.
Whenever there is any valid criticism of a russian vehicle on this forum you seem to be in the comments saying “no uh”. There is a clear pattern in your responses to people on these topics. Most of your reasoning on these vehicles do not live up to the real statistics of their performance either. So your love for the russian vehicles is not healthy.
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2S38 needs to be removed from them game, but Gaijin makes to much money from sale to bots accounts
Weird of you to accuse all vehicles ever made of being Russian.
No it does not. That’s like saying Stryker MGS should be removed from the game.
its fine being in the game the way it was added was slightly scummy being announced at the very last second
The name of the complete unit is literally “Derivative Air Defense” and is a tech demonstrator.
No, your bias towards Russia has been obvious to all of us who’ve seen your posts, and could be considered unhealthy. You almost can’t be considered to have a neutral conversation because you always support Gaijin and Russia. It’s all here on your comments for proof. If I’m wrong my mistake, but I believe I’m correct.
And now you’re accusing the entire planet of being Russia.
Wow…
Dude, the planet isn’t Russia. There are 170+ countries.
All I’ve done is correct people that push hate.
No, I’m speaking to you, of you only. Again, as someone above said, we see your bias in your comments. Every time it’s defending this company or Russian vehicles. It’s a pattern. I don’t think I’ve seen you defend other nations vehicles here unless I’m wrong. So what do you call that? Or if you have it’s been very little. Almost always defending any criticism of Russian vehicles or Gaijin.
And my post or comments is not hate. It’s about vehicles in this game that are seeming to be obviously biased and acting better than others or how they should. I’m not talking about people or real nations. That would be hate. I’m talking about how unfair and uncompetitive this game feels very often, for certain nations or against certain nations. Or unrealistic. It’s about the vehicles, and their performance. As my post states.
I’m not sure what that picture is trying to demonstrate but here is a better comparison. First 5 shots on each, perspective match on last bullet + barrel with warthunder image overlaid over IRL footage at 68% opacity. The spread and the bullet drop differences are obvious. The slightly brighter bullets are HE rounds in the game. The more sparse and slightly dimmer lights are bullets from the IRL footage.
My bias is toward facts, everyone can see this.
I’ve commented nothing on “Russian” vehicles other than bragging how superior my American equipment is to Soviet equipment, which is defending American equipment, while attacking Soviet equipment.
How is it “Russian bias” to brag about American equipment?
How is it “Russian bias” to criticize Soviet equipment?
In addition to this, you can see a difference in time for each shot in a video like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=div_FGRADiA
I’m guessing the game version is 1.5 to 2.0 times faster than the demonstrations IRL.
At 0:56 you can see this green reticle is moving, indicating the shake in the barrel and the return to neutral state. This is not modelled in game. It is clearly a realistic factor that should be included alongside the shot timing difference. But again, this vehicle is clearly overperforming in the game. Like most of the high tier russian vehicles.
So the game in it’s current state is not only unrealistic, it is also highly biased in terms of fairness. Not that a game about war should be fair. But if the intention of this unrealism is fairness then it has been in the wrong part of the spectrum as early as the first T-80s and T-72s in the game. In average, USA and Germany have more of:
- Older vehicles
- Deficiency leaning inaccuracies in each vehicle
- Badly implemented real and demonstrated ammunition and gun characteristics
- Worse premiums and squadron vehicles
- Need for surgical aim compared to russian vehicle’s point and shoot
This vehicle with it’s AA capability in game (again, not demonstrated in any shape or form IRL) is the ultimate form of bias. Given pantsir is now in the game as well, with no anti-radiation missile implementations. No other nation has AA capability comparable offered as a GE purchasable vehicle. (Chinese missile tank seems to be the closest one)
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Germany has the most modern tank in the game [Leopard 2PL].
Very little inaccuracies.
All APFSDS in the game has their accurate penetrations, & you can see their in-game penetrations here: The comprehensive APFSDS penetration datasheet
Leopard 2PL, Hunter F58, Magach, etc.
No more surgical aim than shooting anything else with armor.
I have never died to a Pantsir, and I’ve been within 7km of them in random battles.
They’re the easiest missile to dodge in top BRs.
i am for barrel shake to be implemented but that would make vehicles like the Bradley’s 25mm more relevant but it would be a significant nerf to nations that don’t need nerfs like japan or Italy. bmps would have a major reduction in effective fire rate good thing or bad thing depends what side of the coin you are on but
You replied to the wrong person.
M900A1 is the only round that exists. M900 is incorrectly named in WT.
it exists, but it was too powerful and could not have been used on legacy M68
M900A1 is on the IPM1 in WT. It’s currently incorrectly called M900.
M900 is a cancelled round that was never produced.
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Most APFSDS are classified but there have been frontal penetrations on BVMs irl (https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/10z06xs/how_did_ukraine_penetrate_this_t80bvm_if_war/)
Your spreadsheet for those numbers have no real life sources or information, not sure how you can call them accurate.
Also, here are the armor penetration comparison in game:
So, yes you have to be surgical. Like this is something you can visualize today in the game. Saying “No more surgical aim than shooting anything else with armor.” is not only inaccurate but it is demonstrably false.
I find it really funny that you did not even try to address the premium AA issue.
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