this entire thread is a bias refusal to admit the r77-1 is better than the aim120 by using the same justification over and over again while ignoring pretty much everything else
well if you cant read, aim120 does actually everything better vs 77-1 in game performance
I’m not complaining, trying to bust these false statements that 77-1 is superior on 120 in game, while it’s not.
That Drag and wobble issue makes it even easy to dodge under 20km range, that paper 50g pull feels more like a aprils day fool instead truly pulling 50g.
Hard to admit what is not even true.
Yes R77-1 is ONLY BETTER AGAINST STRAIGHT FLYING TARGETS IF MANAGED TO LAUNCH ON SIMILIAR HEIGHTS AS 120. (and when reaching that altitude and speed you allready have 120’s flying on you)
In everything else, that 3x drag compared to 120 destroys every single thing what would make it actually better or even par in 120.
Can you explain how the r-77-1 is better
No as 120 can still be used effectively in a game.
Back then, 27ER alongside other SARHs was defeated by simply flying relatively close to the ground, it required close to zero effort.
I can’t wrap my head around this.
R-77-7 peak performance range: 1-20 km
MICA peak performance range: 1-15 km
AIM-120 peak performance range: 25-40 km
Typical gameplay engagement ranges:
1-10 km (merging)
10-20 km (1-2 minutes after takeoff)
25-40 km (airfield to airfield and shortly after takeoff, missiles can be dodged by gently turning away).
So HOW is AIM-120’s “superior range” suppossed to give it any sort of advantage?
“R-77-1 and MICA are infinitely superior and practically undodgeable in actual gameplay engagement ranges; but you see, you could supposedly theorically launch AIM-120s from five billion kilometers away that aren’t a thing or practical ingame, that clearly makes it better!”
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Wrap your head in here, and you see how wrong your imagination actually is on 77-1 performance.
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i want some of what this guys smoking lol, the r77-1 will out pull an aim120 pretty easily so im not sure where your getting that from just playing the game should disprove that bit of head cannon the aim120 for sure has less drag but its thrust is also way worse to compensate , the r77-1 is simply better in more situations than its worse its not just stat cards but facts and actually gameplay.
It’s the same story as always. Something something drag, something something range.
R-77-1 proceeds to pull a 270° turn on a close-medium range plane while AIM-120’s advantage is to annoy people by making their RWR bark at 40km launches that require only a gentle turn to be dodged.
Being able to launch a missile from further away to be a RWR nuisance is not an advantage.
Being able to launch an undodgeable missile at actual gameplay engagement ranges IS an advantage.
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Both are advantages , to deny that is to admit blatant bias, plenty of ppl do the bvr larp and you need range for that
One is an advantage that perfectly fits the core of the game’s meta.
The other is an advantage that’s barely relevant within the game’s meta save for exceptions.
That’s the difference.
This is like saying that Challenger 2 is better than T-80BVM because “Challenger 2 is a better sniper while T-80BVM is only better at brawling, so Challenger 2 being able to engage the T-80BVM from further away makes it better” when the meta is defined by brawling and not sniping on 90% of the maps and game modes.
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no one in this thread was able to refute this fact
wild claim, if you actually face competetive players you want the r-77-1
if you face noobs youre okay with both
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yeah, that drag affects a lot on it’s performance especially when enemy is notching that 77-1 loses energy and speed so much more vs 120. Something what you just cant admit.
Strange, I think my 77-1’s are more like 77’s, never seen them turning 270, they are not micas or r73’s
But like i told you, stick your head on that linked topic first, and keep going.
It’s mica on 10km shots, reason why you dont want to those distances in busses called flanker, but you have to since your fox 3 is easy to dodge in under 20km shots also.
But now, keep plapping all that nonsence with your Russian bias glasses on and let’s keep back on this if they fix 77-1 wobbling and reduces drag to even near 120.
why is it called larp when you use the bvr missile for bvr
I don’t see anyone say dogfight larp when they use guns or fox2s
if they notch correctly both missiles will miss regardless, where it doesn’t matter
The drag is realistic, the grid fins spend a large amount of energy when maneuvering
Go call Vympel NPO if you dont like it
the question is who dying to such range in the game anyways? it not like amraam have better seeker and multipath are realistic in this game
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I do not think HOBS R-77 is the meta currently.
Most deaths in game rn are bvr deaths in my experience, amraams are the best at BVR, 2+2
bvr wouldnt be useful if ppl were good but they arent and are willing to eat aim120s
You are sick.AIM-120A is the wrost missle of fox3.
bvr in wt is mostly for show/unneeded as you can basically always close distance for higher percentage shots while being safer, the game doesnt advocate for using it, ppl just kinda do
makes zero sense to call it the worst, like literally zero none
Exactly.
People talk about 50km ranges as if they made AIM-120 superior, when all you need to do to evade such long range launches is to gently notch or pull a circle or two semi-circles.
That’s literally all it takes, and you get more than a minute to do it.
Meanwhile, AIM-120 won’t often even be able to pull enough to hit targets in ACTUAL gameplay engagement ranges while R-77-1/MICA-armed can hit you from 180-270° launch angles.