Germany does have a few Eurofighters with PIRATE
Germany bought brimstones, Paveway IV idk about them and I dont care about them, I never use them so ¯\_(ツ)__/¯
The 10 degrees allows you to fly away from the enemy and guide a missile in and allows for you to notch and if you go over the 90 degrees of the german eurofighter you wont lose lock meaning you have wiggle room for errors
Exactly. If you make a mistake, maybe it will have an impact, but most of the time, under most conditions it wont have any impact on how the aircraft actually performs.
Genuine question, do you personally nodge by keeping a perfect 90 degree angle at all times? Because i and pretty much everyone i see do alternate around 90 degrees in some way
When did Italy trial the AESA?
This Eurofighter is top tier meaning it will face a LOT of ARH missiles meaning it has to notch most of the time and if you are able to fly away from an enemy and guide a missile in you won’t be an ideal target to the enemy and when you are notching and guiding a missile in which is usually the situation people doing BVR find themselves in and over shooting the 90 degree mark does happen quite often which is where the German 90 degrees will fail and the 120 will succeed because the German one will lose lock and the British one will keep lock which will greatly effect the amount of kills and deaths those aircraft will get.
In the Typhoon with CAPTOR-M I maintain DL for as long as possible by keeping the contact near the edge of the FoR for the CAPTOR-M. If i need to defend, Im in a position to do so. Usually using the MAWS to align myself at 90 degrees and deploy chaff, if there is nothing to defend against, then I will maintain the DL till impact or miss.
With the CAPTOR-E Mk2, Im not planning on changing that tactic that much. After firing, I will likely fly with the target at 90 degrees, as this will in theory make me invisible on their radar as most top tier radars cannot see a target that is in the notch, even AESAs.
The ONLY advantage I see to the Mk2 is that maybe to be 90 degrees onto a missile will mean that the target will be in the 90-100 degrees range, but that wont be often and likely wouldnt change the outcome of the missile being fired
The reasoning given is that all 3 countries ingame funded the P4E, which includes the AMK kit. And that all 3 countries are “planned” to get AMK so the report is justified. But similarly, Germany is not “planned” to utilize PIRATE for its future Typhoons but was given PIRATE anyway. And if you justify it as, “Well Germany tested it”, then what criteria are we going by? Planned? Tested?
Italy trialed the ECRS mk.0. The ECRS mk.2 was mainly trialed by the UK (with Leonardo being part of the development ofc).
Way to miss the entire point of what OP was saying.
Source?
You’re welcome.
Okay here’s the actual source from that thread: Eurofighter ISPA 6 Instrumented Series Production Aircraft and Captor E-Scan radar - Aviation Report
Is there a reason the Italian EFT got Mk.2 and not Mk.0 even though functionally both are the same in-game atm?
The fact that Italy will have ECRS mk.2 as the radar system for the ordered 24 T4+ Eurofighters.
Gaijin is too lazy to “model” 3 different radars.
Though if EW does come in the near-ish future, it would have an impact on balance
Mk1 and Mk2 are close enough in that regard that it shouldnt matter. Mk0 could be notably weaker
Are you so sure about that? Ithink in the average mid range engagement the enemy plane will always enter the 90+degree field when youre notching the enemy missile and hes doing the same. And for longer range BVR having more than 90 degrees means you can go cold to some degree while maintaining a lock. Youre probably right that none of this will make a difference for the average lawnmower player but experienced players will 100% be able to use that advantage effectively
There’s speculation that AMK kit is required as part of P4E due to increase in requirements and weight and some things of that sort. Anyway, German EFT did test IRST but it isn’t included in their ordered Tranche 4 EFTs.
And to add onto the conversation, both Italy and the UK tested the AMK kit.
The likelyhood of it having an actual impact on the outcome of a duel is unlikely in my opinion.
Not enough to change the outcome in my experience.
Turning actually cold to the target and physically flying away, maybe, though not even the Mk2 can actually see the target. but angling those extra 10 degrees would likely make chaff in-effective, especially with the state of BOL and probably result in me being killed. Ive been hit more than a few times when my notch was off by 1-2 degrees and the missile just ignored the BOL.
With the Su-30SM2 (if ive got the right airframe there) they actually can fly “away” from the target, maybe enough to actually meaningful drain a missile, but even then. If the shot was fired right (fast, high and not too far away) that tactic shouldnt work
The most I can see is if a missile is coming in from a slightly different angle, to the target, the Mk2 might be able to maintain the lock, but its probably not going to be the end of the world
High experience player vs high experience player in a 1v1… maybe. But the likely outcome would be that both sides fire AMRAAMs at each other until they both run out and then the fight becomes a WVR gunfight.
