Yes, you should have them on separate keybinds. I use both of my side mouse buttons for an example.
The main reason you want to have them on different keys, is that a lot of aircraft don’t have enough capacity to be wasteful.
Another reason is that flares will give away your position to players who may not have seen you, if you only needed to pop chaff.
As a side note: you should watch Defyn’s and MiGan Fox-3’s guides on YT for learning how to deal with IRCCM and radar missiles.
I was under impression that “going back to prop” usually means to go back to props and play through the TT normally to gradually get introduced to different ranks and how they play; not that they should stay at props till they get good with them and then go back playing jet.
obviously all of the know-how doesnt translate well between props and 12.0+ jets, but some of the props know-how translates to early jets, early jets to IR only jets and so on so forth.
This 100x through.
If I tell someone they should maybe try props, I don’t mean go play props then swing right back into your 12.0 premium.
Take the time to play the early jets, learn what they are and are not good at, and then move up a bit to early IR missiles. Once you get there and learn to basic evade and maneuver, you’ll be much better off at 12.0 and will often times do much better.
Jet combat is everything everywhere all at once. If you don’t train yourself up to that point where you can handle everything, you are in a very bad position. So, playing earlier jets can help teach you what’s going on, what’s wrong, and what you need to work on to get better at higher BR jets.
Eventually, if you want, you can do all 3 options 😉
Just kill em first. I’m not even kidding. If you launch your Sparrow at an F/A-18 before he launches his, he loses. Doesn’t matter that his plane is better, he already lost.
Either way, the worst thing you can do right now is continue playing the F-4S. There’s simply too much to learn that can’t be learnt through reading. You need actual experience in positioning, and a deeper understanding of how missiles actually work.
No, that is useless advice. He bought it, it is his, he can play whatever he wants. There has been plenty of good advice shared in this thread and he has already made massive improvements to his gameplay.
Are you sure? Going from 0.2 to 0.8 (for example) is massive improvement, but still terrible.
Can and should are very different. Buying it was his first mistake.
Good thing it’s not your account, or your money.
Also, stat shaming is excessively lame and pathetic. Grow up.
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So because I didn’t make the mistake, I can’t point out the mistake???
I basically did what you did lol Rushes bases, head on and pick up off players after the match calmed. Worked for me pretty well. Was able to reach to that F-111 in a week of grinding with just the F-4S. Can careless about wr or K/D. Just wanted that 15k RP to 60K RP per game to reach top tier quick by taking 1 base and 1 or more kills.
Idk what changes they done recently but back then I got 10k RP per base with extra more with kills.
Example: When I used the British Phantom.
58k RP here
It was not a mistake. You are expressing your OPINION. Not a fact. Get over yourself, no one cares that you THINK it was a bad idea. You think way too highly of you OPINIONS.
Go worry about yourself instead of spreading negativity everywhere that you go. I already remember how you have acted on the forums over the course of months and years. You are still negative and toxic. Sad really.
@Surbaissemaxxing
Yo Surb, @SilentTracker is being silly. Can you help clear up this discussion so it doesn’t get derailed?
LOL! Bothering the mods because you can’t handle being called out on your insults, stat shaming, and negativity? HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA
DUDE, GROW UP. You are literally acting like a child 🤣
there technically is but it gives you absolute jack on how to play in live matches so all it teaches you is just scratching the area of bare bones
Give this a watch, it’s a good starting point, then you can adjust to your preferences from there:
Hello everybody, thanks on your posts but, currently I’ve got a problem.
My usual go-to thing is I go to one of the sides of the map, fly low, and so on. But, I cannot do anything to enemies who just ignore me or dont see me, and the times I am in headons like this, things such as this happens.
(I forgot to change my preset to not have napalm after experimenting.)
You had a good shot, but sometimes sparrows simply go for the wrong target. What I like to do is press U to view where the missile is looking and then immediately relock the ‘wrong’ target or shoot another missile on the ‘correct’ target. However, I would not really call what you did missile wise much of a mistake, just a bit unlucky.
You primarily made one big mistake: going too high and not doing anything effective about the incoming missile. I see that you are dumping chaff and flares, but chaff does not help anything in pure headons.
What you should have done was either start off at ~70m altitude ready to dive down to 30m when a missile was incoming (or ready to dive behind cover). Or as soon as you saw the missile diamond you should have dived towards the ground.
What I like to do is also bring the gunpod and simply spam it in headons if the enemy is dodging the missiles. It can be a bit tricky to aim, and is certainly not risk free, but it can be surprisingly effective since many people don’t expect it. It’s worth considering at least. You could feasibility kill the F-18 in the clip with your gun.
I see, the chaff was a missinput due to some pannicking but about the missile diamond icon, im pretty sure it only appeared a little before i started panic weaving, hence why i did it so late.
At first i was surprised he didnt fire a missile and i was free to go, but then that happened.
But ive got a couple more questions on how to engage.
What can i do to planes that ignore me/run away?
The aim 9h’s seem lackluster as ive seen one of my sidewinders go for a single pair of flares.
My radar cant get a nice enough lock so i dont bother firing them.
This usually happens and after i give up they can just turn around and go to my tail as i cant really do much about it with my turning, and ive had moments where the enemies Aim9l ignored several flares
And
Is it normal for me to often get just “Hit”, upon a missile connecting, and a little more rarely critical hits.
Edit:
Im currently on my phone and about the f18, a little before the end of the encounter, i tried to go with the guns, but he turned away so i decided to keep on and try keep my speed
What can i do to planes that ignore me/run away?
Try killing the planes ignoring you with your gun if possible. If they run away I would generally try to find another easier target. If the guy you’re shooting at is the only one close or if it’s the last guy you should follow and wait for the perfect IR shot (or get close enough for guns).
The aim 9h’s seem lackluster as ive seen one of my sidewinders go for a single pair of flares.
My radar cant get a nice enough lock so i dont bother firing them
Both correct, you are significantly less effective when chasing. However, your opponent only needs to make a single mistake for you to get the kill. No one has permanent vision looking backwards and you need to anticipate when the enemy won’t look behind them or flare too slow. One thing I like doing is shooting just as someone bombs, then they tend to be too preoccupied with bombing to look back or flare in time. If people are turning away from terrain they are also not as attentive, try exploiting gaps in attention to kill people with your IR missiles.
ive had moments where the enemies Aim9l ignored several flares
Some shots are simply very difficult to evade due to how the seeker is looking (for example if the missile is parallel to the plane it won’t see flares behind the plane). Other times if you flare too much and go in a straight line you will ‘breadcrumb’ the missile and it will eventually lock back on to you. Generally doing manoeuvres will help in evasion.
Is it normal for me to often get just “Hit”, upon a missile connecting, and a little more rarely critical hits.
This is a major bug in the latest update. All missiles are bugged and they should be much more reliable. Basically hits should be crits and crits should be severe damage. Skyflashes are not amazing, but they should not be that bad either.
so i decided to keep on and try keep my speed
Smart
Much of warthunder air 12.0 is about good target switching.
Should have stayed as low as possible and went for gun kill. Guy was flying too low for your missiles to work. You on other hand left “safezone” and were immediately awarded with r27r (iirc its radar one, t/et is heat seeking). And even if he didnt launch his missile. Its mig21 which most likely will just outturn you and slam with all aspects. Hence why you should have tried to shred him with guns in head on
