Hornets BR. It's too much, Gaijin

[Lulzwhat]

@UrMumSaysHi

This ain’t 1. april

What is this then?

[Lulzwhat]

@AlvisWisla

F-18C is the 3rd best airframe at 14.0, only behind Rafale and Typhoon, and it’s barely behind Rafale.

And how it’s 3rd best?
You compare ultimate dogfighters which bypass mach 1 without afterburner and one of it (Rafale) have ultimate agility and one of the best dogfight loadout with jet which barely can pass mach 1, have worst maximum speed over even older jets.

[AlvisWisla]

Supercruise is primarily a fuel consumption thing…

F-18’s top speed is only ~60kph slower than Rafale.
Maximum speed doesn’t win matches, survivability does.

And Rafale is ~6% better than F-18 in flight performance.
21.something deg per second at 2.75 minutes of afterburner fuel vs F-18’s 20.1 in energy retention.

[Lulzwhat]

@AlvisWisla

F-18’s top speed is only ~60kph slower than Rafale.

Maybe, but Rafale/EF2k/15E/16C/Su-27/Su-34/etc. easy reach their max. speed while Hornet stuck around mach 1

[AlvisWisla]

Which doesn’t matter because this isn’t a racing game, this is a combat game where more than just raw speed matters.

[Lulzwhat]

Raw speed gives you energy, gives your missiles longer ranges and reach target faster.

[Zyranovos]

F-104, upgraded with avionics and weaponry to carry AIM-9P/J’s and AIM-7E’s…

[AlvisWisla]

For afterburning jets, TWR, drag, and mass are your energy attributes unless you climb beyond your peak amount.

F-18C is as-fast on full internal fuel as an F-16C is to 10,000 meters if you care.
Right now the F-18C retains energy as well as an F-16A, and more than an F-15A, when you select the same amount of fuel that you’ll afterburner will use.

[MatrixRupture]

This is a very true statement in Vietnam they did a study and the F-4s rarely even went past Mach 1 on combat sorties. In the entire war the amount of times an F-4 went over Mach 2 was countable on your fingers.

[Anonymous4245]

@Lulzwhat

Hornet A probably would be fine at 12.3 but better set it to 12.0.

Wow, this is the biggest piece of copium I have ever seen

[DiamondCraftLP]

@Lulzwhat

Previous decompression wasn’t good thing.

Almost all previous decompression was reversed or made worse (with ARH)

Also 12.0 Hornet is madness

[Stockholm_Blend]

@Lulzwhat

Hornet A probably would be fine at 12.3 but better set it to 12.0.
And premium Hornet shoul be at 12.7 max but i would better say - 12.3.

F-18 on 12.0 is nothing but bullshit cringe take.

HOW THE HELL 4th gen fighter which can armed
6x AIM-9L with 4x AIM-7M need to sent 12.0

While 3rd gen fighter which can armed with 4x AIM-9G, 4x Skyflash(British domestic AIM-7E-2) stuck at 12.0??

Is Non-Americans are jokes to US Main?

[Morvran]

This entire argument could be used to argue aircraft like the sea harrier FA2 to be 12.0 which I’m all for. Heck every single 13.7 bar the F-15C could argue for a BR drop based upon this speed argument.

No you aren’t the fastest top tier aircraft, but instead you have an insane number of missiles. Aircraft will be different that’s what assymetrical combat is all about.

So to break your BR down more evenly

@Lulzwhat

These BR’s you gave them - is insanely high. 14.0 for jet, which barely can pass mach 1? Really?..

and?

@Lulzwhat

Hornet A probably would be fine at 12.3 but better set it to 12.0.

So its equal in performance to the Phantom FGR2?

Sure, only if it has Aim-9Gs and Aim-7Es

@Lulzwhat

And premium Hornet shoul be at 12.7 max but i would better say - 12.3.

12.7 is the perfect BR for it. Low enough it wont see 14.0s, high enough to not cause compression.

[Stockholm_Blend]

@Morvran

This entire argument could be used to argue aircraft like the sea harrier FA2 to be 12.0 which I’m all for.

Well! I think we can beat those Hornets badly if both SHar and F/A-18 go 12.0 because of OP’s Theory.

Sea Harrier with AIM-120 and buffed FM will conquer the skies.
/s

[Morvran]

@Stockholm_Blend

Sea Harrier with AIM-120 and buffed FM will conquer the skies.

All shall fear the Harriers if/when they are finished. US F-5Es and F-15As learnt to fear them

[hinjanattori]

This post has to be a joke lol.

@Lulzwhat

They literally have worst overall flight performance of top tier jets.

Note True, they lack only in the speed department. Their flight model is very good.

@Lulzwhat

These BR’s you gave them - is insanely high. 14.0 for jet, which barely can pass mach 1? Really?..

Speed is not the only factor considered for BR placement. If that’s the case, Mig-23ML for example should be at 13.7. You can’t conveniently ignore the facts that the plane gets a very good radar with HMD, large load-out of 12 missiles (which are VERY good). These have way more impact in top tier rather than the top speed.

@Lulzwhat

Cant be serious, guys… it’s cap - 13.3. Like Su-34 which have +/- same weapon capabilities and better top speed.

SU-34 has R-77s which are widely known as one of the worst ARH missiles, doesn’t get HMD to make effective use of its high G-overload missiles. Flight performance is not desirable as well.

@Lulzwhat

Hornet A probably would be fine at 12.3 but better set it to 12.0.

I am 100% convinced that you are just trolling at this point lol.

@Lulzwhat

And premium Hornet shoul be at 12.7 max but i would better say - 12.3.

They should be given the AIM-9Ms and moved to 13.0.

[Caernarvon02]

It could be worse, far far worse

[Ech027]

ok, MiG-29G has R-73, only 2 radar missiles (6 in total) and 60 flares, but it’s on 13.0, so why F/18C (Early) must be 12.3?

[Ech027]

@hinjanattori

SU-34 has R-77s which are widely known as one of the worst ARH missiles, doesn’t get HMD to make effective use of its high G-overload missiles. Flight performance is not desirable as well.

maybe because Su-34 is FRONTLINE BOMBER and never had HMD irl?

[hinjanattori]

read the full post to understand why I said it lol. That statement was intended as a justification to why it sits at 13.3, not whether it should/shouldn’t have those capabilities.