We’ll have to see how it does with the rather massive buffs coming this major update already and hopefully some further buffs yet to come. But based upon relative performance to the Harrier Gr7, I think 12.3 would be pushing it a bit. 12.7 though could be argued for rather readily
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slow, poor performance compared to any 12.7 aircraft. no HMD, sacrifices guns for aim120. can at best carry 4 AHR with no guns and no IR.
its 12.7 worthy at best. BUT, decompression before moving aim120 to 11.7!
this plane is why i want BR loadouts. 2 aim9m and BOL pods and move it down to 12.0 would be so good!
13.3. is probably too low rn. Once the thrust is corrected and the cm amount is corrected i think 13.7 alongside the f16c makes sense.
gets 3 decent, unique and good looking jets with decent performance and great missle set and radar
Still complains
???
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It’s fine, Harriers with 120’s is on 13.0, Su-34 - 13.3, JF-17 - 13.3, even while Hornet can take 10 AMRAAM’s - it cant be used effectively, to set it to 14.0
14.0 is for F/A-18E
I really want to know what you are smoking while thinking to send F/A-18C Late. into 13.3
you really think that
4 AIM-120 on subsonic fuselage need to have just one step lower than 10x AIM-120 on supersonic fuselage?
“But what about Su-34, you commie bastard.”
- Su-34 has 8 R-77, not 10.
- Su-34 don’t have HMD unlike F/A-18C Late does.
- Normal R-77 act worse than AIM-120A/B.
Are you dreaming ‘Danger Zone S2’ in 2025?
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Damn you’re somewhat delusional. Harrier is subsonic with no HMD, Su-34 is a bus, JF-17 doesn’t have HMD
F-18 has a radar comparable to an F-15, good maneuverability, and amraams. It can easily survive 14.0
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Honestly the air BRs of the Hornets are the least concerning thing about them. The A and C early are essentially non starters in GRB at their respective BRs and need to go down - they lack ordnance. The C late seems like a very high performer within its flight envelope and should be fine at top tier.
Not every jet needs to have good ordinance for the BR, If you lower it in GRB it just terrorizes the other planes at that lower BR and dominates the Sky. It’s like the Mig23MLD (or varients around that plane) they could be lower due to not having good ground ordinance, but then would just smack the living crap out of every other jet trying to do CaS or just survive. It would not be a good time for anyone other than the jet that is under BR’d
The f18c late is easily the worst 14.0 in the game. Even if the CM amount is fixed and brought to 120, without bol pods and apg79, f18c late will be the weakest 14.0 besides the finnish f18 for the same reasons but the finnish one cant get apg79. Especially if they correct the thrust and bring it down. 13.3 is too low, 14.0 is too high. 13.7 is where it should go.
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Isn’t it the 30SM with a really poor turn time due to hpw heavy it is and with an Su-27S engine? Yes TVC exist but it’s really situationally useful and has more disadvantages than advantages
This one is very much subjective though, I think they look rather ugly when compared to the EFT, Rafale, Su-30SM, F-15s and F-16s.
It still has a decent fm. Its not quite as strong as the hornet at low speed, but then again just don’t go slow speed with a hornet. Also you have r73 for that kind of fight, hornet has aim9m, which simply cant pull in.
Yeah, i’d say the su30 is the best looking out of em, but f18 is definitely up there, even though i’m a die hard eurofighter fan
Sure, but the F-4F KWS is 11.7 in GRB with better (and more) AAMs, an arguably better strike loadout, the same radar, and only moderately worse flight performance. It isn’t overpowered or overperforming. The Kurnass 2000 has a significantly better strike load, and it’s 11.3 in GRB. The Mirage 2000C is quite capable of handling the Hornet A, and it’s 11.7 as well. There are quite a few examples of aircraft that are roughly equal to the F/A-18A in its current configuration at 11.7. I don’t think it’s an unreasonable ask.
So you would rather add onto the problem than accepting that the F18 is fine where it is sitting at right now? I get you want it to be lowered because the example jets are a lower BR than the F18 but that isn’t a good mentality to have. After playing multiple matches in GRB and ARB on the dev server I genuinely think the F18 is fine where it’s at. It does not need to be moved anymore than it already has.
there’s no way i’m reading this…
I think that’s enough forum for today… I can’t take it anymore.
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BRUUUUUH
the guy is a machine for producing nonsense.
Have you ever played jf17?
and a plane with 4x fox3, 2x ir missile and has a horrible power to weight ratio, and manages to have fewer countermeasures than the hornet, the status card says that it has 72 countermeasures but it’s a lie if you try to divide the countermeasures into 36/36 when you start the match you have less than 30 of each flare/chaff.
the su 34 is a bomber… 13.3 bomber zzzz
It even maneuvers well for a plane of its category, but it has poor energy retention.
If a caravel could fly and maneuver in the air it would have more energy retention than the su34.
You are comparing the F18 with a Mirage III with canards and an F4 Phantom engine…
a modernized 3rd generation aircraft, which takes 4 derby the worst fox 3 missile in the game
???
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For me it’s all the way at the bottom the spine is just too long and thick, the nose it too long, wings sren’t really in proportion, tales are too far to the front.
It only looks okay directly from the front, from every angle Hornet looks pretty ugly.
want to really help the hornet out, instead of talking about BR changes that would make some people unhappy?
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/Wqg0JaNf6slJ
lets see if we can get it a couple LJDAM