Historical is just the name, if anyone can think of a better name please feel free to share
You will inevitably end up with brackets that are almost completely depopulated of vehicles.
You will also get insane levels of compression. For example, at 4.0 you would have, in the same BR, the Jumbo 75, the Tiger II (pre series and Serienturm), the Jagdtiger, the IS-3, the IS-4M, and the IS-6. What do you think is going to happen?
Also without a system of uptiers and downtiers, the Jumbo is always going to meet the same enemies until you just stop playing it because no one wants to fight IS-6s in a Jumbo all day.
You’re also misplacing the Maus.
Hitler cancelled all work on superheavy tanks in summer 1944. Work on the Maus continued clandestinely. The first test however had been carried out in December 1943… So by your own rule the Maus is at 3.7, below the Tiger II, below even the Pz IV J (!)
If you want a historical mode to work, you need a different core game loop/mission structure. Messing with BRs alone is a road to nowhere.
For some nations yes, Germany has a major gap of ground vehicles between ww2 and the 50s, sometimes a nation will just not be able to play that bracket
The Serine trum is not late 1944?
But it wont just be an IS-6, and neither will it be just a Jumbo, people will inevitably bring lower vehicles to higher matches, and even then most Brackets will have at least one other vehicle
The Maus was fitted with its Engine and Turret (Guns came later) at the end of 1944, after the fall of berlin, the soviets took both Maus prototypes and put the V2 turret on the V1 hul. So the Maus will be (4.0) 1944/1945 unless proven otherwise
Perfect matchmaker. Well done.
Yes. You have 1944-1945 as 4.0 in your list.
That’s not the point. Whoever is on the Soviet team will spawn an IS-6 if they have it. Wtf are you going to do with a Jumbo against them? You just wouldn’t spawn it at all because the moment you contest a cap in the Jumbo when the IS-6 has had the same idea, you’re just dead. It is an incredibly unfair fight.
Your criterion was “first test”. Well, here it is.
Test drive around the Alkett factory. 28th December 1943. This is the testing debut of the Maus.
Thats the V1 Without a turret, the V2 was testing jn late 1944 with its turret and engine (but no guns)
Just looking at it from a single nation really hides one of the biggest issues with it: export vehicles.
Sure, often the US is stuck with a worse version of a vehicle in game as all other nations got later upgraded versions. But with historical BRs… IE F-15J being 2.7BRs higher then the US F-15A for a basically identicle plane. (Its not that late a delivery, at latest only a C8 lot, however the AAM-3 wasnt put into service until 1990 so)… Even with ungimped AAM-3s, that would be quite a massive BR jump.
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Were not basing off weaponry, that would make alot of vehicles overtierd, modifications like the T-64Bs T-64BV modification
So what? You mentioned “first test”. It is perfectly normal for a vehicle to be tested without some components, the turret is one of the easiest pieces to do without because the first test is always a test drive and you can just simulate its weight, as was done here.
Hell, some vehicles never reached functional completion during their development, see the Radkampgwagen. Are you going to exclude it from the rotation because it was never tested with a working turret?
It is expected that historical BRs would be terrible for balance, but you haven’t even settled on a consistent criterion for which date should count for whom.
The Maus in game is based of the V2, with a turret, therefore it goes 1944/1945, when the V2 with an Engine/Turret was actually tested
Except it doesn’t have the V2 turret. It’s based on the Soviet assembly taken to Kubinka.
Also, just to repeat, because apparently the point isn’t getting across…
To put the Maus later, you are selecting a criterion which is no longer “first test” but “first test with complete vehicle”. So what are you going to do with all the incomplete vehicles we have in the game that were never tested in full configuration?
No not exclude them, we just make an educated guess based on research, but if Gaijin ever goes through with this it will definitely look different
If its the Soviet Maus, the it still fits in 1944/1945 as it was assembled after the war in Europe, although it may be eligible for 1945/1946 spot.
We will put them where we feel they belong, and then let Gaijin decided, this project is just a basic view of the concept to iron out any problems, like the KV-1 (L-11) and KV-2 (1939) 💀