Again, that’s if you’re playing helicopters wrong, please refer to the statements I’ve made in previous responses.
I’ve never played helicopters incorrectly.
I’ve experimented beyond the meta plays, and sought out deaths to get information that only deaths can bring, but I’ve done everything at least once with every helicopter except SPIKE slinging cause I lack that.
I even played Ka-52 when SACLOS fixes were done so I could see if my tactics changed [they didn’t].
Helicopters aren’t meta, they’re good, heavily situational, but not meta.
I’m not going to whataboutism SQB either cause SQB tactics are entirely different to random battles.
At least with heli PVE you can practice the tank desync that happens with the visual and damage models that happens after a few km.
So you believe that in competitive matches, the F&Fs helicopters are inferior to the Kamovs / AH MK.1 / Z-10s?
I believe that the tactics in SQB is jets and MBTs with the odd Pantsir for meta, which is accurate from the records of active players for the top 10 squadrons.
If ANY helicopter is spawned it better well be against a team that didn’t spawn SPAA, cause that’s a dead weight aircraft otherwise.
Also nice screenshot of a team without SPAA, exactly like the video I linked earlier.
Are you telling me that you have never once played helicopters incorrectly… even when you first started playing them?
Do I need to be any more apparent?
as @rainy2000 have already stated, the max for ground is 12.7. The reason why it’s this way is because certain platforms is just a menace in a down tiers.
Lets take the SU34 for example. If it was 12.0 and was in a down tier (11.0), how many people in the enemy team would have a proper spaa or aircraft to counter it? Not many nations even have a good 11.0 spaa to begin with.
the intent of having the SU34 at 12.7 is regardless if it gets in a down tier, it’ll at least guarantee that the everyone will have a proper vehicle to counter it.
Obviously it’s not perfect because top tier is a mess right now.
I played helicopters in games since 2006, and learned tactics since 2009 thanks to real-life interviews, documentation, and expert players.
I keep up with it all because of my love of helicopters.
And I apply what I see extremely easily.
However, by the time I played helicopters in War Thunder [2019] players got all the top SPAA and were good with it, so there wasn’t much I could do personally, and I would only start spawning helicopters on advantageous maps for a moment in 2023.
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Even still, they should increase the max BR to 13.7 already.
There is no reason why the Su-25SM3 should be just 0.3 BR lower than the SU-34, for example.
So tell me how have you played them? The tactics I mentioned work quite well even with spaa present
But you can clearly see from the screenshots that I have posted, and the videos I have posted about how that is just not the case.
There are definitely better players than you and I, and those players are doing very well despite having to deal with SPAA.
You can just watch videos of experts. I’m bad at explaining things as-is, and I’m not about to spend an entire day to learn how to explain what I and others do for a singular experience when the entire next month is get Chally 1 prototype, collect data for spreadsheet, play Monster Hunter Wilds, let alone IRL duties.
Learning how to explain things is something I am trash at, so I cannot abide by your request regardless of my desire to do so.
It’s obvious that helicopters like Ka-52 and Spike/PARS slingers could go to 12.7, with Hellfire slingers staying at 12.0.
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lol People not naming Mi-28NM, Rooivalk, and Z-10 is also proof enough that Ka-52 is fine at 12.0 let alone the vastly superior SPAA compared to these vehicles sitting at 11.7.
How is the ka-52 on the same level as fnf slingers? Fnf helicopters are the only ones that can deal with spaa.
Just because they haven’t been named yet, doesn’t mean that they don’t have their issues in terms of balance.
Ka-52 is generally the most noticeable in terms of performance against most vehicles.
I would like to see that for myself, so I am willing to 1v1 you in your 11.7 SPAA of choice, against my Z-10.
Not really…
If you cannot kill a ka52 in your spaa (assuming no other ground/air threats) you have a severe lack of skill.