gaijin thinks t29 is overperforming
gaijin doesnt think its overperforming enough to go up to 7.3
gaijin increases reload by a few seconds instead as it is less of a nerf than a BR increase
i think youre massively over reacting
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Reloads are slower than real-life reloads usually to allow for soft-balancing.
T29 fires a marginally superior round to Tiger 2 105.
Clearly the new playerbase of T29 players have made use of that better round to warrant a change to its reload without changing its BR.
Slower is not unrealistic, it is not fictional, except for autoloaders whose speeds are programmed at specific amounts.
There are better words to use than unrealistic or fictional in these cases. Though I can’t think of them at this time.
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I use the word unrealistic as it neither reflects the real life “aced” reload potential of the vehicle, nor a comparative realistic perspective in the game. The T-34 has 2 loaders and an almost identical layout to the T-29, how does it have the same exact reload speed with a smaller round? Maybe if they nerfed the reload by like, a second, it could make sense. Having the same reload speed as every 120mm in the game? It just doesn’t sit right with me.
Also I only use the word fictional to describe the Tiger 2 105 because that is the purported reason it was removed, it never physically existed.
Also I apologize, but the Tiger 2 105 is the one that fires the marginally superior round.
100 m/s faster, only 2mm less penetration, double the explosive mass.
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Oh right, they buffed the German 105mm round a year or two back… Fading memories because I haven’t played the tank more than 1 - 3 times since it moved to 7.0. Though now that my German lineup is 7.0 preference instead of 6.7 I will be playing it again, just haven’t touched it since the recent BR changes.
I appreciate the screenshots.
I wouldn’t be surprised if other Tiger 2 105 members are like me and only remember when the round’s pen was ~230 instead of 253 so they haven’t played it much recently.
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I feel like its so oddly balanced like it is because of this exactly. If they’d treat it, and maybe the Panther II also, more like the Maus, make it available around anniversaries for research, let a few more people have it, then it’d get more attention. Thus giving it better balancing potential.
Personally I think it’d be incredibly easy to make the Tiger II 10.5 “realistic” enough to justify it’s existence despite its paper-tank status. Just like the Ostwind II. All you’d have to do is remove the second loader and slow the reload accordingly. Same goes for the Panther II, drop the 88mm and it’d be realistic enough to be allowed at least in anniversary events, perhaps even put back into the tech tree. But that’s just a pipe dream. I was shocked to learn you can’t even get any of them from Silver Lion lootboxes. I’d trade the Object-279, IS-7, Surblinde, heck even the E-100 for the Tiger II 10.5, I like the thing that much.
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Dont forget, back then on the wiki gaijin mentioned the Tiger II 10.5cm using a stabilizer
“The tank was to be armed with the new 105 mm 10,5 cm KwK L/68 gun, equipped with a stabilizer”
which it never got </3
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The round in game is actually wrong for the 10,5 cm KwK L/68. It should be the Pzgr.39 with ~100g Filler. And 16,9 kg weight, so more pen, lower after effect … kind of, well no more overpressure but over 100g TnTa will still be enough.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/diSMwWDXjzp6
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That’s basically it.
A while ago Gaijin said they wanted to move the Tiger II to 7.0, and briefly actually tried to move the T29 to 7.3. Then they walked back that decision under community pushback but still noted that they were performance outliers and an exception was being made by leaving them at their BRs.
Now, in one BR update, both tanks have received a nerf.
It’s the alternative solution, and I’ve got to be honest, on the whole? It’s better than them going up in BR, because it lets them play as heavies more, if that makes sense.
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When it created the Tiger II 105, Gaijin combined three different proposed Tiger II upgrades into one vehicle: a new engine, a rangefinder, and the 105. The problem with this design is that while the rangefinder was slated for introduction, and while it was a given that the Tiger II and Jagdtiger would be getting a new engine had the war continued (though not necessarily the one featured in game!), the 105 proposal was sketched out and then discarded.
This is precisely because it did require a second loader and the RoF was considered unacceptably slow. However, the presence of a second loader is not Gaijin’s invention, it is accurate to the proposal, and the rejection was not based on the infeasibility of adding in a new crew member physically - just on RoF considerations.
In any case, reloads in the game are somewhat arbitrary since they’re used as a soft balancing mechanism. The Jagdtiger with two-piece ammo and two loaders in a roomy casemate has an 18.6s aced reload…
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You are absolutely wrong. 12 vs 15 seconds is life and death in city brawling.
Thank you for this detailed reasoning.
The reload time increase is an absolute joke…
T29 '“overperforms” because good players are using it.
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He isn’t massively overreacting, this is just further proof that their idiotic statistics based ratings are garbage, the T29 did not deserve a reload rate nerf considering it’s basically a worse Tiger 2 105 and was always the Tiger 2 H equivalent, it was never worthy of being above it let alone should it have ever been considered for 7.3.
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It is not and never was.
T29 was always better than Tiger II H and could be named a Tiger 2 105 equivalent, again T29 was much better.
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It wasn’t better, it was a direct equivalent trading reload speed and velocity for better damage, having slightly better mobility and turret armor while having VASTLY worse hull armor - tell me, what major advantages did the T29 have to be a higher BR? (rhetorical, you don’t have to answer because you won’t find any). T34 is even worse in this regard as it had an even worse reload with vastly worse damage.
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A lot of MGs that help a lot.
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It already isn’t overperforming, they are just nerfing something for no reason, further, something people paid real money for.
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For most players who might forget that tiger2 105 has a semi-automatic loader, which was recorded in old warthunder wiki
Bruh.
doesnt seem real
But Gaijin said