slow at everything, cant even make to frontline and got killed by the same 10.7 F5c or others. uptier can met those mig23ml/mld/mla. gaijin really thinks this should be in 10.7? aim9l maybe good for some other aircraft but not this one, the only use is self defend not kill. why am i using it? grind ofc. but its the most shitty plane i have tried. PLZ just make it lower a little bit. i dont wanna met F5’s at OUR FRONTLINE AIRBASE.
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It cannot go down as it would then be facing almost entity planes that lack CMs (there is still a fair number it faces at 10.7) that are completely helpless against high all aspect missiles. It’s a common issue for many subsonic attackers including the A-10s and Su-25s.
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this one not even fast as SU25, with full missiles only 900kmh
What I find particularly strange here is that it is at the same BR as the Indonesian Hawk 209, but the latter having wingtip launchers as well, increasing versatility and quantity of available weapons, plus having a PD radar.
Only thing the 200 has over the 209 is one additional Sea Eagle or other A/G ordonnance on the centerline together with 200x rounds for the internal canons, while the 209 “sacrifices” the centerline pylon for 130x 30mm external only - but that in no way warrants the same BR…
gaijin never plays their game :(
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That’s still a lot faster then the A-10 though and like I said it’s the missile that’s the issue, not it’s speed.
I don’t disagree there is a problem, but with Gaijins refusal to decompress the BRs there is no good answer.
It’s a rather small advantage in terms of air where they are balanced around A2A armaments, they both have 4x AIM-9s, the 2 extra hard points for A2G weapons is nice, by more useful in GRB to allow you a full A2G load of 4 IR mavs and still having some A2A defense.
That is probably a lot more useful for you in sim then in ARB given the spotting system mostly negates the increased awareness, and radar slaving non-IRCCM missiles isn’t that helpful.
with current compression for ARB it sort of dose, I mean would you put the 209 should up too face PD radared Phantoms or the 200 down to face subsonics with no CMs with it’s AIM-9Ls? neither are particularly good solutions, which leaves decompression as the correct answer (as usual) but we know how Gaijin feels about that.
It would be nice though if the got around to that forward spawn for attackers they promised years ago.
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but 10.7 still too high, maybe 10.3 would be better, i dont need it to be 10.0 or lower, and sraam has been to 10.0 with no CM
The stuff like the A-10, A-6E TRAM and Su-25s where 10.3 for ages, they where basically a ~2km radius no fly bubble.
Having both delt with AIM-9Ls/ R-60Ms in 9.3/9.7 planes and recently playing the JP Hawk 209 the current BR is, as bad as it is, far fairer, the mentioned forward spawn is the best fix short of actual decompression IMO.
Not to mention moving them down would later result in all the stuff that gets seal clubbed by it as a result moving down as well further worsening overall compression.
So yes I agree that they are frustrating in their current state, especially given that they have much more limited A2G loadouts than the Su-25s/A-10s so they cannot farm ground targets the same way, while having many of the same A2A limitations, but the Su-25s/A-10s where a nightmare when they where at 10.3, so I don’t think repeating that with a different plane is going to work any better.
But like I said, all just my opinion, I do hope Gaijin improves the situation for the higher BR attackers, we agree on that even if we disagree on the best way to do it.
They are still on 10.3 , only A10Late, is 10.7, but premium A10, and Su25 and SU25K are 10.3
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Huh… you are right, I could have sworn they went up too… Screw it then, put the hawks down and lets just burn it all. Hell USA has what are now fully functional Sparrows at 9.0 what’s some all aspect IR missiles into the mix
Well tbf, A10’s are more or less sitting ducks on their speed.
And gotta love hunting em, just dont overtake em, and take 9L on ass.
And if it is that premium A10, headons can be fatal, against 4 gunpods and 30mm GAU :D
yeah, they are also limited to 2 IR missile not 4 like the Hawks.
They can be pretty brutal with their turn rate thought, if they are not AFK they can pull around into a head on pretty fast and if they wait long enough they can put you in a situation where you cannot break off or you get AIM-9Led, you need to faint taking the head on so they try to save their missiles and go for a gun kill and jink at the last second, which is risky given the sheer amount of lead they throw in your general direction.
I guess it’s down to how good the player is, and in the premiums at this point the answer is usually “not very”
yep.
And reason why Gaijin refuses to lower A10 Late to 10.3 is for that 4 x 9L, so it wont happen on hawk either. If it would go lower, you can imagine how much community would like that.
Heck when I was playing that Chinese F6C , hawks were one of biggest threats on uptier games, since it cant run em off on deck.
It has much better missiles. And particularly because the AIM-9P4 we have in the game has a AIM-9P1/2 motor. It should have a higher thrust motor and about the same kinematic performance as the AIM-9L with just a lower G-loading. The AIM-9P3 (RB24J) we have in the game also has the wrong motor. They’ll probably introduce the P5 at some point with the wrong motor. That would particularly affect the Swiss?
if there has a chance, i’d rather remove 2 X aim9L. Really feels bad when i fly it to against all those fighters.
Hawks cant even catch SU25/SU39. Its a light fighter/strike aircraft yet it is slower and worse to do the fighter role with than the dedicated bomb trucks.
Base 200 could be 9.7 and still be absolutely abysmal trash, any lower and the aim-9L gets a bit excessive. 4x AGM 65B at the cost of all your A2A capability when the A-10 at 10.7 gets 6x AGM 65D and 4x 9L is a cruel joke.
200 RDA could be 10.0 and still be trash, no gun and skytrash dog"fight" dont make up for it. also only gets AGM 65B despite being 11.3 (10,7 in GRB, once again the A-10 proves its extremely overtiered for its capabilities)
209 is by far the best hawk 200 in the game, and its still painfully bad, should be 10.0. AIM-9P-4 is slightly worse than a 9L, theres no reason why it shouldnt just get 9L, it should be able to carry six sidewinders but is restricted to 4. At least it gets AGM 65D instead of B and can still carry two sidewinders.
Hawk T.1a has near identical flight performance and it gets absolutely trashed by every other jet in game unless it runs away (which itself can barely do unless its a full downtier), its a 6.7 aircraft at best, slapping countermeasures on that with some barely average missiles for the BR range doesnt make it capable of dealing with F/A-18a, MIG-21, SU25 or even an AV-8A.
The excuse of “its has aim-9L it would be OP” moving down is such a bad excuse. The A-10 premium is 10.3 with aim-9L and triple the mavericks of a hawk 200 with better flight performance (other than top speed) Theres no plane its fairly matched up against at all
If the hawk 200s are going to stay at 10.7 and 11.3 they should get AIM-9M so that they are at least a threat to some things (RDA should also get Supertemp Skyflash so that they are actually worth the extra weight)
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ngl that radar doesnt really do much to help it. you get no missiles that really can take advantage of it as the p-4 doesnt have the overload for off boresight launches, nor the range for it to matter.
the main kicker is the AGM-65B being replaced for the actually usable AGM-65D. but that isnt very special by 10.7 with the A-10 having 6 of them while youre also competing with the Trams 4 skippers (i wish skippers were on other planes, such peak deserves more appearances)
nothing about any of the BAE hawks in game warrants its BR placements.
how the RDA of all planes has the best K/D is beyond me. It was the worst one to play until the T1a got added
True dude, so true
im glad they are in game but jesus they are perhaps the most overtiered vehicles in game. Every single one could move down a whole BR and still be rather crappy to play
especially with how weak the damage models are. 2-3 .50 cal AP rounds rip a wing off
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Pd radar, 2 skyflash and 4 aim 9l, thats why