Have War Thunder Lost its roots? Did modern vehicles ruin this game?

games dying player count hasn’t passed 240,000 i feel that if a game like dcs or something of the sort came to consoles game would be dead

What the hell are you even talking about.

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It’s broken English, you can figure out what the person is trying to say, but it is very difficult to read. With a straight face.

I see you’re one of those who insults others when they have no arguments. There’s no point discussing anything with you, all I’m going to say, quit. Quit the game if you don’t enjoy it.

And I’m going to tell you again, this isn’t a WWII simulator, it’s a multiplayer wargame, it’s not meant to be a simulation of World War II, for that you have to look at other games, just like Counter-Strike or Rainbow Six aren’t simulators of real life counter terrorist forces, they are competitive multiplayer games, so is this game.

If you don’t enjoy it, quit, find yourself another game that will suit your needs and likes more, but don’t expect the whole game to bow down to your opinions, because “oh, no, a Concept 3 is fighting against WWII vehicles” … it’s called multiplayer game balance, the Concept 3 where it sits, performs the same as all the other vehicles around it - again, not a World War II simulator, a multiplayer war game. Take it or leave.

Also stop insulting users, who don’t share your opinions, which are in my opinion rather dumb.

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dispute between HEMA and Buhurt…
The company does what sells best. Modernity is the best product. Modernity is fashionable, does not require intelligence, does not require being a historian. Simple and profitable.

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yes, especially a lot in the last year or two… hehe

“Oh but WW2 era does not exist”

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I don’t mind modern vehicles at all EXCEPT when they add modern vehicles into low tiers like the leopard AA that kills the immersion in my opinion.

Also for everyone saying “don’t play top tier just play mid tier” it’s hard to not get upset when we are lucky to get more than 1 new ww2-post war vehicle. Top tier gobbles up a huge chunk of new content for updates.

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We have the M109 at 6 BR and its almost immune to APHE and can take out any WW2 tank with one shot …because it fire artillery rounds.
How stupid.

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I know everyone is so against a historical split because it would be impossible BUT they just need to split the change after early Cold War. The current BR should stop at things like, AMX-30, Cheiftain, M60, T62, and so on. Then at that point they can decompress current 5.7-7.7, I don’t understand how that would be a problem?

It would just happen in most games but not this one.Nothing is impossible if you can be bothered.I think the br should stop at 6 and have the m109 etc moved to seven

We have the Sturmpanzer at 1.0 that can also take out any WW2 tank with HE rounds.

Your point?

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My main issue with post WW2 arty is less their killing power, more their damage models. Especially “remote” turrets.

But! It’s a WIP with the more detail internal modules so it’s a known issue and will be fixed, eventually.

Like, some of the cold war tanks can be effectively invulnerable from some angles when in reality they should be really fragile. I discovered one such case with that swedish SPAA where its engine block perfectly protected its crew from my t-28

Oh geez what a terrible argument.

M109 has modern systems and is from the 70s. A WW2 Sturmpanzer is from WW2 and does not have modern systems.

Being able to destroy the tank is irrelevant

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The M109’s only “Modern” system is its proxy round, everything else is quite literally quite normal. The m109’s advantages are a turret and more armor, and higher speed, (Plus a .50cal and the proxy round), but the sturmpanzer reloads quicker and is 5.0 BRs below it.

Its easy as hell to kill.

That was never the issue, being easy to kill is irrelevant a HMMVEE with a TOW launcher is easy to kill should it face WW2 tanks?

M109 has a better gun, is more mobile, more amrour its not open top doesnt die to being strafed or overpressure. it has a turret better optics a proxy shell making it a threat to aircraft and the remote weapon station .50 cal.

Everything you have listed is the technological advancement from the 40s

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Eh, that’s moreso just something with engines. The Pbv 301 is good but only has two crew- so any crew knockout kills it. It happens with a lot of tanks with front-mounted engines like the DF105, Strv 103, etc.

The “Remote” turret is weird, but to be honest 90% of the time is a hindrance due to restricting elevation.

Proxy rounds existed in WW2, and again it is 5.0 Brs above the sturmpanzer.

This is the difference between a Tiger II (P) and the Strv 122.

The M109’s optics suck (4x moment), it is incredibly bouncy, has a long reload, depression worse then some russian tanks, and can be .50cal’d and overpressured by HE/HEAT. Just because your twisted sense of realism wants it placed at a massively high BR does not mean that it should be there.

Many players would unironically support this.

“You see, a WW2 Heavy Tank facing the 30 year more modern IFV/LT armed with ATGMs/HEATFS is perfectly fine because- because you can pen it too! Just shoot first, duh!” (Completely ignoring the part where the modern vehicle is faster, smaller, more agile and with better dynamics and handling).

Go some players, balance = everyone can own everyone frontally. Completely disregarding any other performance factors/technical capabilities.

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