“Oh but WW2 era does not exist”
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I don’t mind modern vehicles at all EXCEPT when they add modern vehicles into low tiers like the leopard AA that kills the immersion in my opinion.
Also for everyone saying “don’t play top tier just play mid tier” it’s hard to not get upset when we are lucky to get more than 1 new ww2-post war vehicle. Top tier gobbles up a huge chunk of new content for updates.
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We have the M109 at 6 BR and its almost immune to APHE and can take out any WW2 tank with one shot …because it fire artillery rounds.
How stupid.
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I know everyone is so against a historical split because it would be impossible BUT they just need to split the change after early Cold War. The current BR should stop at things like, AMX-30, Cheiftain, M60, T62, and so on. Then at that point they can decompress current 5.7-7.7, I don’t understand how that would be a problem?
It would just happen in most games but not this one.Nothing is impossible if you can be bothered.I think the br should stop at 6 and have the m109 etc moved to seven
We have the Sturmpanzer at 1.0 that can also take out any WW2 tank with HE rounds.
Your point?
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My main issue with post WW2 arty is less their killing power, more their damage models. Especially “remote” turrets.
But! It’s a WIP with the more detail internal modules so it’s a known issue and will be fixed, eventually.
Like, some of the cold war tanks can be effectively invulnerable from some angles when in reality they should be really fragile. I discovered one such case with that swedish SPAA where its engine block perfectly protected its crew from my t-28
Oh geez what a terrible argument.
M109 has modern systems and is from the 70s. A WW2 Sturmpanzer is from WW2 and does not have modern systems.
Being able to destroy the tank is irrelevant
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The M109’s only “Modern” system is its proxy round, everything else is quite literally quite normal. The m109’s advantages are a turret and more armor, and higher speed, (Plus a .50cal and the proxy round), but the sturmpanzer reloads quicker and is 5.0 BRs below it.
Its easy as hell to kill.
That was never the issue, being easy to kill is irrelevant a HMMVEE with a TOW launcher is easy to kill should it face WW2 tanks?
M109 has a better gun, is more mobile, more amrour its not open top doesnt die to being strafed or overpressure. it has a turret better optics a proxy shell making it a threat to aircraft and the remote weapon station .50 cal.
Everything you have listed is the technological advancement from the 40s
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Eh, that’s moreso just something with engines. The Pbv 301 is good but only has two crew- so any crew knockout kills it. It happens with a lot of tanks with front-mounted engines like the DF105, Strv 103, etc.
The “Remote” turret is weird, but to be honest 90% of the time is a hindrance due to restricting elevation.
Proxy rounds existed in WW2, and again it is 5.0 Brs above the sturmpanzer.
This is the difference between a Tiger II (P) and the Strv 122.
The M109’s optics suck (4x moment), it is incredibly bouncy, has a long reload, depression worse then some russian tanks, and can be .50cal’d and overpressured by HE/HEAT. Just because your twisted sense of realism wants it placed at a massively high BR does not mean that it should be there.
Many players would unironically support this.
“You see, a WW2 Heavy Tank facing the 30 year more modern IFV/LT armed with ATGMs/HEATFS is perfectly fine because- because you can pen it too! Just shoot first, duh!” (Completely ignoring the part where the modern vehicle is faster, smaller, more agile and with better dynamics and handling).
Go some players, balance = everyone can own everyone frontally. Completely disregarding any other performance factors/technical capabilities.
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A: This already happens, see PT-76.
B: In many cases it is balanced, again, see PT-76.
Hell, I would take a Tiger II (H) over the Zachlam Tiger any day- just because it has HEAT-FS/ATGMs doesnt mean its OP or even good.
Anyways we basically have this and its called the SPz Marder A1- or the Type 60 ATM, and that second one is downright shit.
Marder is nowhere near as egregious as a HMMVEE would be. Both shouldnt face WW2 tanks.
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What the hell else do you want them to face- jesus christ, they arent even good where they are right now.
(Marder A1-)
The Type 60 ATM is fucking horrible even where it is- the only reason it hasnt moved down is because it has ATGMs.
They should be used as a light tank/SPAA not everything has to dominate.
Yep TYPE 60 is bad so it should get to clown on King Tigers?
As an SPAA it is beaten out by basically everything at its BR and above, and its also beaten out by basically every light tank above it. It cant fire on the move with its ATGMs and has poor 20mm penetration- its completely fine at 7.7.
lol
lmao even
It’s completely fine at 7.7…
But it’s not completely fine facing 6.7s.
Compression issue, as always.
Eh, 6.7s facing it can still fairly easily kill the thing, its just that for once their enemy can kill them too. If you get ambushed, sure, but the ATGM cant fire on the move and the 20mm cant really kill heavies- they are in hella better situation then 7.7s facing 8.7, that’s for sure.
(Please kill me I hate the strv 81 fuck that thing)