that doesnt matter, what if the swedish government decided to sell the information or something, there is a lot of risk if that is a chart for domestic armor that doesnt make sense considering the circumstances
the former is redundant when you have access to the tank and GD engineers for the purposes of recreating the array for ballistic tests
more cope
you are selling a modern state of the art Main Battle Tank, there are more systems than the armour array that would still be classified, you are going to have to divulge and entrust information like this on the export market
except it is still much more useful information than the protection of an array that you dont know the details of
yes but you are not selling a variant with that armor, there is literally no reason to divulge information on a system that you are not selling
you are just coping tbh hf
you are the one just claiming that a chart is showing the armor values of a tank that is not relevant to the sited report with literally no sources indicating that it is for a US m1a2
this is “M1A2 SEPv2” with the projectile being m829a2 from 1500m which game says 601mm pen, the area in the middle is penetration possible and as you can see around 50% of turret area visable offers less than that, which is what the swedish rated the armor package they tested as
this is obj.292 at point blank which is estimated as just under 700mm, which the second armor package proposed for sweden should be able to stop according to their graphics and yet the “M1A2 SEPv2” does not in game
if anything this is less angled than depicted in the info graphic as seen by the base of CITV overlapping with the edge of cupola in the info graphic while a visible gap in the in game testing
it looks like gaijin copied armor values for the abrams from the armor package that the swedish tested, and have modeled no improvement in between abrams variants after M1A1 HC or M1A2 in the tech tree
so I stand by my claim that all the top tier abrams in game are actually depictions of theoretical swedish abrams, some of which having improved optics and TUSK kit
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Gaijin seems to believe that the Swede armor packages are literally the best in the west, and no other nation can hope to match their technology without heavy ERA (which NATO does not make use of). (See Leopard 2A7 protection vs Strv 122A protection) It wouldn’t surprise me if the eventual addition of the M1A2 SEPv3 also has functionally identical protection to the M1A1 AIM.
I doubt we can ever expect the armor protection of the Abrams improve too much, aside from making the turret ring area volumetric to help with autocannon spam. Lest the USA decide to call the Abrams obsolete and declassfy it. Something confirmed not to happen for quite some time.
Then the community would do a huge wave again like they did before about DU being present in the hull, also its known that the SEPV3 received a huge armor addition to the hull and turret cheeks with spall and Trophy system.
Why does everyone have to do this to be balance? Do you make the same argument for Mavericks lol?
Definitely, I saw the same shit with Mavericks. People would rush in or engage in pretty cookie cutter tactics of going directly above the map and spamming mav’s with the F-5 or whatever hoping spaag were either not looking or no one spawned one and often times no one would think the wiser.
If it’s balanced or not… mostly? Think of the alternatives: Realistically it’s too late now to roll everything back. Even the idea of just removing IR weapons would just lead to the same CAS spam being decided by the weather/daylight. Removing all FnF would just replace them with laser weapons which are arguably even more oppressive especially with the new high performance laser PGM’s ingame. Why? The benefits of FnF weapons come with a downside of potentially being nullified easily. Meanwhile laser weapons are far more resistant to all countermeasures against them for pretty obvious reasons if you know how to use them.
Except this is the same flaw of logic that even Gaijin has.
They have battle rating system - they do not use it.
They have SP system - they do not use it.
They have map editor (to protect spawns, cliffs etc) - they do not use it.
It is ok for them to put ‘realistic’ weapons in the game… if they use the other tools they literally made to fix them, since they cannot edit them directly due to the realistic nature of the game vs made up arcade stats.
Gaijin does this a lot. XP-50 was overpowered for 3 years because of air spawn, a completely arbitrary thing they could fix in 30 seconds, without having to edit the vehicle parameters itself.
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2/3 of those aren’t going to actually fix it.
The BR’s are already so high that beyond moving the worst offenders away from the 11.7 premium spam I doubt it will be anything but a band aid solution that moves the problem to the top instead of dealing with it.
SP system? They already cost like 800-900 SP and making it cost 1200+ SP is really just like making it the call of duty chopper gunner killstreak(like the nuke) that can delete half the lobby; of course it isn’t that powerful so it would likely either justify its power or justify nobody using it, which is just taking away gameplay instead of fixing it.
The map editor is what they should be using, probably firstly lol. Though personally I’m also for just polishing up the SPAA and maps situation as much as possible on top of perhaps a similar command to “air alert” for ordinance e.g. “air weapon inbound!”.
Is this implying the ZSU-37-2 is op?
The highest tier prop (non bomber) is 7.0 and from 6.3 and up the majority of planes are jets. The ZSU, M163 and VEAK aren’t effective AAs despite having a radar at a “low” BR.
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This HAS to be rage bait lmao
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Spookston said the Yenisei was op in one of his videos, it must be true. Ignore VEAK 40 which is pretty much the same lol.
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are the rafale’s AASM good? are they like on par with the kh38ml? or worse?
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They’re basically the same thing but a good bit slower. So worse but still extremely effective like all CAS.
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Gaijin doesn’t balance via vehicle parameters.
They balance via BRs and they do it.
So true! Uh but american M163 is worse??? Gaijin should put it at a lower BR or something???
Jokes aside I’ve seen people unironically claim the ZSU-37-2 performs like the other 35mm AA against tanks.