Top tier is utterly unplayable if you’re not on the russian side, 3 kh-38 capable platforms, 2 of those are with ARH A2A missiles with the added safety net of the pantsir. What can other nations realistically do to them? There’s nothing the ADATS can do or the best the west have to offer, the ito against swarms of kh-38s. Spawn an F-16 or F-15E? Goodluck having to deal with both a pantsir and A su-30sm at the same time, assuming there’s only 1 of those present AND goodluck landing a hit with mavericks.
If Germany, spawn the EF with laser only brimstones? I remember the justification for that and STILL they added another kh-38 capable platform, HILARIOUS! The mental gymnastics they put players go through is so obvious at this point.
P.S. I have russian top tier but it isn’t remotely fun if there aren’t equally competitive equipment on other nations.
Please offer some good arguments on why russia keeps getting busted AGMs while NATO counterparts either get gimped or ancient weaponry (and SPAA).
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Air spawncamping skill less Russian CAS out of the sky yep that only way but the plane that can pull that successfully is Gripen since it has cheap sp
my line only have 2 vehicle lol, HSTV-L and F18C Late to do CAP. I don’t bother bringing other ground vehicle like the Abrams cuz I lose turret ring every time I get shot and ADATS is useless. And the longer I stay on the ground, the higher chance of getting stomp by Kh38, so I only play HSTV-L and get in the F18C asap.
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Quite the only viable strategy left, AIR-CAMPING in GROUND RB. Ngl, these past few games i tried to rack up a few kills or assists and quickly jump into a CAP F-16C to camp on the enemy air spawn.
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Yeah that how it done nowadays but western CAP need to be cheaper for other nations except Russia since it is an only spaa
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The turret ring nerf is a very funny thing to me, why is that even a valid change? Abrams get necked ALL THE TIME now with the recent hydraulic pump module but still they went and nerfed it more anyway. Meanwhile T tanks horizontal drives keep spinning when shooting out their autoloader.
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Aim120
We do need better spaa for all nations. At least recently, they reworked heat signitures for kissiles and i have had a few agms get “flared” by spaa missiles.
Maybe that can work?
The reason was because brimestone would have lock on after launch. For as good as the kh38 is, it still needs a lock.
If they properly model ground clutter and whatnot, they can give them the radar seeker. I still dont like them adding it with nerfed abilitied because people kept demanding them to be added.
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They can add loal like now and see if Russians main like it
plus aim 120 still need to be within range of pantsir so i guess it time for C-5 or C-7 and lower it spawn cost and there you goes problem solved oh remove multipath too btw
Russian bias doesn’t exist
It was well thought decision to place radar SPAA at 7.7 BR where it faces mostly prop planes
If you say otherwise then you are conspiracy theorist and need to be fined at least 99GJN$
Same applies for all non bias on top tier
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Not everything is nation v nation.
Adding LOAL will ruin top tier, and no one will like it.
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I dont think anyone would like it.
There would be 2 ways it would go.
1: the radar seeker is easy to fool and leads to lots of teamkills.
2: the radar seeker cant be fooled and now jets are lobbing missile behind hills towards your spawn.
For as powerful as the kh38 is, at least they have to expose their self to lock/fire.
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It already is but more nation can do it is more fair
What gaijin needs to do is increase SP costs for cas, remove the scouting SP reduction, force an AF spawn for all planes, move airfields bad further, and of course give all anti is competitive SPAA at all BRs.
All of that should mostly fix the CAS issue, or atleast make it much better without completely removing one of WTs most unique features.
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It’s still not fair to the tank players. With LOAL, now 4 nations will have more OP cas, and no one will have an SPAA that is able to counter it.
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1:Itemised sp costs.
6 agms should not cost the same as 2 agms
2: larger air maps with af and spawn pushed back
3: new top tier spaa
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Well put them all against russia since they only one have spaa to deal with them easy
and make radar guided cannot damage teammate like they can’t team kill in tank anymore it can prevent team kill
Cas has grown past the pantsir. Only reason the pantsir is still somewhat of a threat is due to the small air map size.
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But CAP don’t and the only reason those RU cas can roam free because amraam are still within Pantsir range and they can’t have altitude advantages over them when pantsir are active
This is why i say newer amraams to amraam slinger and remove multipath for grb can help with this problem too so you can out range Pantsir while doing cap and not easily defeated by just go low
They are only forced into pantsir range due to the small map size.
On the maps with the updated air maps, it is much easier to engage cas with aim120 while being outside of pantsir range.
The air space is too cramped which is why they havent added new spaa. Anything with a range of 25km can fully cover the air map.
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And multipath you wanna make sure it hit fast enough before they can go low that why it should remove