Has anyone felt the bias yet?

i said that meaning the abrams armor is decent in game (not sure if fine means correct also? im no a native english speaker). I meant it as it is decent, especially in comparison to a lot of other mbts.

Whether or not it is accurate to irl i cant judge and if it isn’t that should be changed. obviously these changes then would come with an adjusted br if that changes its performance to significantly better than average. and thats subject to the snails mysterious statistics of which i have no access to. same with a possibly buffed leo2whatever the version. Or any other tank.

Buff or correction leads to better performance leads to br adjustment which ofc takes time until these statistics are available which takes time

fine can mean correct, but yeah english can be weird with context stuff

I mean it is inaccurate but yeah would probably need br adjustment especialy if they finaly fix the turret ring and give it its 200-300mm RHA eq there, because then it wouldnt be anywhere near as easy to kill with autocannons

I dont know if time for these statistics is that relevant right now though because all of these have been issues in game for a long time and the statistics for abrams are really low

wtf are you even talking about? What you posted shows worse of the two armors having 50% 600mm coverage

that is exactly what that figure states though as it is showing 600mm protection at 30 degrees offset to one side

they both do, there is absolutely no reason a swedish report would be allowed to have classified US armor figures in it

mhm

No.

Wrong.

show me where that says its a chart for domestic US abrams and not the tank they were thinking about adopting, because there is absolutely no reason for it to be based on a US tank when the report was considering buying one with different armor

lmao

quite literally yes it is stating that the lowest armor provided by the turret cheeks in a 60 degree frontal arc is 600mm which is almost exactly the in game value

protip: angle is not measured in meters squared.

protip: its kinda helpful if you actually have a brain

That’s not the GD export package :^)

it is though, I really dont know how you can be stupid enough to think that this is depicting a domestic US M1A2

nope

and even the other image indicates turret cheeks offering 600mm+ at 30 degrees

explain to me why in the swedish governments consideration of purchasing the abrams they would need to have armor values not relevant to the tank they are purchasing

also both of the armor packages in the other image would have been US designed and both were stated to be inferior to the domestic package at the time

It is relevant, Sweden was on the market for MBTs before the US self imposed embargoes on Depleted Uranium armour packages and would display upgrade potential over the non-DU package.

  • “svensky skydd” = (Swedish Protection)
  • US designedTM

any more flailing and cope?

= package designed for sweden (later was also used in greek trials)

= originally tested package

no it is not as abrams began trials after DU armor was prohibited for export, and that still doesnt explain why the US would allow their clasified armor values to be contained and eventualy publicly published in a swedish report

This was never intended for publication
the arc protection chart is still labelled secret btw

1 Like

if they wanted to display upgrade potential they would list the dimensions of the array, not the protection values of an array they wont get technical details on until it is outdated
thickness of the array would be much more beneficial there as it would provide direct comparisons between other vehicles

that doesnt matter, what if the swedish government decided to sell the information or something, there is a lot of risk if that is a chart for domestic armor that doesnt make sense considering the circumstances

the former is redundant when you have access to the tank and GD engineers for the purposes of recreating the array for ballistic tests

more cope

you are selling a modern state of the art Main Battle Tank, there are more systems than the armour array that would still be classified, you are going to have to divulge and entrust information like this on the export market