Vickers has more than 4 rounds in first stage.
except one
The Vickers Mk.1 has an 11 round ready rack. But the issue with it is mostly the mobility which is pretty mediocre for the paper thin armor you get. Then again I haven’t played it in well over a year and a half and so my stats in it are quite poor.
well my Ariete K/D also way higher than Strv 122 B+ as well but i still can say Ariete is sht
Leclerc is kinda OK tank in General and have lot of potential as well if Gaijin care to model it right but right now in current state?
it not 12.0 worthy compared to something like T-80BVM and Unarmored Leopard because gun mantlet can are big and easily become death zone (Leopard 2 have this problem as well but lot lot smaller) and OFL 120 F1 (Aka DM43) kinda lackluster and 5sec reload is not something so special anymore since Abrams can fire better round and can have 5sec reload too plus better armor overall.
The Abrams does fire a better round, but to get the 5 second reload you need the aced crew which the 99% majority of Abrams players don’t have (coming from experience). Leclerc gets 5 second reload by default because of the autoloader.
And the armor on the Abrams really only helps when hull down, the hulk and turret ring are paper. The Abrams has really terrible survivability too, especially now after the turret ring change which the Leclerc did not get.
And compared to the T-80BVM and Leopard 2 the Leclerc is a lot more mobile and reloads quicker.
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even expert it just like 0.3 sec slower than Leclerc (5.3 Abrams expert) depend on how much you value 0.3sec but for me it kinda not much different unless it in rarely engagement that stuck in one on one then yes it can save live
lucky them Leclerc big mantlet death zone holding it back a lot in hull down
both have terrible survivability (Leclerc exploding fuel tank which i don’t know it fix it or not but assume last time i play leclerc is like 4 months ago and still exist i guess not)
turret basket? don’t worry gaijin said all tank will get it in the future
It overall still okay tank but need buff and there are lot of bug report with document to back it up.
There isnt alot 8.0 in the game but thos who are like leo 1 and marder has good mobility or stabilizers and u meet t55 alot which are so much better
Also again magach 5 is a rare gem cuz it cant go up
Was more reference to Quantity of MBTs automatically meaning that nation is “OP” or exceptionally good. I know the leclercs are up there as some of the better tanks. But I’d gladly trade 4 or 5 of the Challenger 2s to have 1 or 2 decently modeled Challenger 2s for example.
Im sure you would be the same with the Leclerc. Youd rather have 2 or 3 decent tanks than a dozen bad ones.
Best anti-helicopter spaa goes to: USA
edit: and UK!
Huh?
Pantsir is better in every way
To helis or planes
1- Hammer.
2- And the SPAA still can’t deal with OP CAS.
3- France, Hammer. 60km launch range vs 40km. Game limitation puts both at 30km for now, and the IR versions are closer to 14km currently.
4- Best air to air missile is definitely not Soviets. AIM-120, Magic 2, PL-8B, etc are all arguably best.
5- Best ground lineup goes to USA: 6 free extremely mobile MBTs firing competitive to meta rounds to choose from vs Soviets 1 mobile MBT with 3BM60, 1 armored MBT with 3BM60, 2 more less mobile 3BM60 carriers, and the rest of the mobile tanks fire 3BM46 which is equivalent to M900.
6- Best helicopter: AH-60.
7- Best CAS: France, USA, Soviets in a 3 way tie.
Autoloader is a worse basket.
Eh… maybe, not necessarily any better than any other SPAA. But you trade that performance for the fact that you cant do anything against fixed wing CAS
ka-52 is most powerful because it can parry enemy missiles (compared to f&f / hellfires and generics that fly in an oblique trajectory), overpowering the SPAA. ADATS’s MIM missiles are great, they fly fast and are untraceable. this means that now, ka-52s cannot detect the adats to retaliate fast enough. you better listen to me, I main ka-52 and I fought every spaa…
for USSR, the adats is absolutely better than anything else. and we only get paired with USA one in ten matches or more. for fixed wing, there’s always the best fox3 of this game
Pantsir beats out the ADATS in literally every single respect.
Fixed wing CAP is problematic because it costs 10x more than an SPAA
I’ve told everyone how ADATS beats the pantsir in taking out helicopters. see →
pantsir missiles expel smoke in the first seconds of their flight. there’s also a tracer present. as soon as the pantsir fires, its location is exposed. also, big target, slow to accelerate, big turret.
Meanwhile a Pantsir can usually just leave their radar on because most RWRs cant detect it.
Can engage 3x incoming missiles whilst engaging the firing heli
Might be slightly weaker vs helis but is 10x stronger vs fixed wing CAS and lets face it, fixed wing CAS is what is actually a threat at top tier.
it’s not the radar that exposes the SPAA. its the tracer and smoke. RWR does not help me find the enemy SPAA at all.
of no significance
thank you for conceding
Might… I still doubt its all that significant of a difference. At least Pantsirs usually kill the Apache the millisecond I spawn in in one.
you don’t know how much I would love it if russia traded the pantsir for adats with UK and USA. it would be much more fun; that’s why I find USSRvUSSR matches exciting. anyway, I don’t think apaches are worth playing, but then again so are the helicopters without vikhrs/atakas. boring