If you put yourself in that same position that 2s38 could kill you, everything could also kill you? Right?
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The Beglitpanzer 57 is just as bad and is lower BR than the 2S38. It may not get APFSDS (gets APHE, which is arguably better), but is smaller, gets an ATGM and has more survivability + better armour.
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It used to be worse before the addition of turret basket lol that thing is small and almost empty and been hitting that empty spot that cause no damage. Nowadays it’s much weaker for sure.
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That would buff the vehicle.
I’ve had random vehicles drop nukes on me, does it mean those are OP as well ?
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Ha
Haha nice one lol
Maybe in the near sale
It will be the same as t72a when skilless players saying its bad but its f amazing
Same with t54
T55
Is series
T44s
And more
Please do.
And i welcome you to share your experiences with it here
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Can’t see anything amazing here.
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He is one of the biggest Israel hugger I’ve ever seen lol
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I’m going to check rn but I’m pretty sure that’s the guy that said the T-62 was OP at 8.7
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B-but what about armor that only works against conventional AP ?
His argument when I mentioned some under br vehicles like the magach 5 at 8.0 with m111
His response:
omg the magach 5 is a rare beast bro that’s why its justified
sabra is peper hehe t-72 is braindead op and should oso be 9.7
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Bet
Ofc u cant
Yea cuz in full downtier its op but this is compression issue
The M3A3 Bradley has missiles to augment its main gun as well as the ability to fire from protected cover.
It’s a different playstyle.
HSTVL is double the acceleration, over 20% faster top speed, 50% better pen on a 2x heavier round.
HSTVL is better in every way.
@Hudler might be a Soviet main, but even they have stats in the Begleit to compare their 2S38 stats to, and coincidentally they’re similar in KDR and KMR.
2S38 is balanced, HSTVL is balanced, Begleit is balanced.
You can make an argument for missile-equipped IFVs, but claiming HSTVL is anywhere as inferior as 2S38 is arguing myth for the Russian industry.
The only differences are acceleration and penetration, and the penetration difference would matter more if turret rings weren’t 50mm thick.
OP vehicle will always result in higher KDRs for consistent players. ALWAYS.
As a point:
Around 2:1 average vs around 3:1.
And that’s with thinking slightly less in my Jagdpanzer IV matches.
Show me where OTOMATIC uses a 57mm gun, doesn’t have a search radar, doesn’t have high-performing APFSDS… OTOMATIC isn’t a light tank, and the OTOMATIC is its BR because of its APFSDS round and players using the OTOMATIC as anti-tank for so long.
Sabra had nothing for it exept good canon
If u have hard time against sabra its on u
Same with magach 5 it trades fp for having very bad mobility mid to bad armor and no stabilizer
Both of this vehicles are good i ngl but u cherry picking gems when in russia u have few gems in every line up
And 2s38 has good thermals better fire rate and alot of ammo
Also ofc hstvl is better but not 1.4 br diffrance
i am not though
I mean comparing a premium tank that everyone can get for some money and one that you should grind for is brainded, one obviously is going to be bad than the other when it comes to stats.
The Leclerc is my most played tank, and I think you’re wrong about it being “barely competitive”. It is for sure the most skill dependent top tier MBT, but that doesn’t make it bad. It’s incredibly mobile (2nd only to the ZTZ99A which has its own bucket of problems), great reload (2nd to the TKX), great gun handling, and it can aim over the engine deck (which is a pretty big advantage if you get flanked).
Sure it lacks armor and the dart is weak but those are objectively unimportant compared to the aforementioned strengths of the Leclerc.
I’d personally take it over any other top tier MBT.
My Leclerc K/D is higher than both my Strv 122B or my T-80BVM K/D, and I agree with @MademoiselleSXXI
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Fire rate and ammo count which only really matter for aircraft at the speeds these vehicles reload. Ammo capability matters FAR more for tanks than ammo count, ask 16 round bringers how they know.
And yes the HSTVL is double acceleration, that alone is arguably 0.7 BR difference: BT-7M vs BT-5.
HSTVL is the fastest tracked vehicle in-game.
HSTVL fires the 2nd or 3rd best ammo of the auto-lights [best ammo in 1 and/or 2 slot goes to the Italians].
And HSTVL is the 2nd smallest turreted vehicle above the BR of 10.0, smallest goes to RDF/LT.