Haha, The ADATS is only usable against helis.
Vs jets it is the weakest top tier SAM by far.
Max range vs a jet is maybe 7km and only if they arent defending
Its basically the 2S6
Also its not, The Apache is one of the weakest top tier helis at the moment, should be more like 11.0
and? you know that MAWS exist in top tier heli right? you listen to it and take action no matter you see missile or not
meanwhile pantsir it takes anything with MAWS or advanced RWR like Rafale and Eurofighter to able to detect it (most don’t)
lol if that can happen i’m sure you’ll regret it later
what next to you? Stromer HVM are best anti heli because it can’t be detonated by poxy fuse and kill heli outright and don’t ping on RWR because of passive radar?
the late march tracer removal has made it the best tool for helicopters, but removed its efficiency against planes (which is why some of them are now asking for the tracer to be brought back). in all honesty, I find the “best fox3 spammer and best heli spaa” combo very deadly. I would greet the tracer (unlikely to happen) with great joy.
It does not matter if an RWR can detect SPAA or not for the following reason: You should be assuming you’re always being tracked while playing CAS to begin with.
SPAA have had undetectable tracking in War Thunder since at least 2019.
I agree. Su-30SM + Su-34 + Ka-52 + Pantsir is an insanely OP combo
Hoping we can finally get upgrades to teh Typhoons CAS power, a decent top tier heli and a decent SPAA at some point
you’re mistaking the action here. I understand you as a defense-oriented helicopter player; someone who plays it safe. I used to engage in far more erratic and risky (but paying) ways…
even before the tracer removal, the adats was the best tool against helicopters (the difference just got 10x bigger) because of the lack of smoke (now, that one swedish spaa also has a smokeless missile, but that one flies far too slow) in addition with great speed and power (and proxy, but that’s rudimentary).
in a lot of matches, I could fly high and instantly counter any spaa: I had to turn off hud as soon as I got the missile warning, and look at the battlefield in search of a tiny red tracer (adats, stormer) or white smoke. with every spaa except the stormer I would just fight the war of attrition (against the stormer I would just dodge and retreat, just like IRL).
I hope you can see how that tactic is not possible against the USA now.
agreed!
edit: grammar
sorry, when I said “best heli spaa” I did not miss a comma there. I just called the ADATS the best spaa against helicopters.
there you goes you choose to take a risk then that the risk you need to consider
different play style different danger.
and again. Only barely. With Helis barely vulnerable to any and all SPAA (heck I usually just use the Stormer HVM at top tier if I need to deal with a heli rather than the ADATS) its a small use case.
What is needed is Pantsir level SPAA for dealing with fixed wing CAS. The 7km range ADATS does nothing against a 30km range KH-38
notice I said “paying”. this means that with the march adats buff, this very deadly playstyle was rendered ineffective due to the inability to detect the adats in time. basically what I said earlier about not being able to retaliate in time. every SPAA reveals its position after firing except the ADATS, and for this reason, even playing defensively neuters most of my impact (as soon as I pop out of cover again, the adats would fire at me and I wouldn’t have time to find it)
basically the adats is so good against helicopters, it literally pins them into cover and forces them to play a style where you wait for someone else to kill the ADATS. do i have to explain how much less impactful it makes the helicopters?
Adats has the slowest missile but it is almost invisible
I do not consider your position on this as serious. I just described how it makes all the difference in the world, haha
with one cap, the american can spawn a great missile slinger. with a cap and a kill, they can spawn a very decent fox3 slinger (an okay flight model and an array of the best fox3 missiles)
MIM is faster than the vikhr almost two-fold
and so can the soviets. Su-30SM is exceptionally good.
and again, I dont think you quite appreciate just how bad the ADATS is, just use the 2S6 if you want one on thej soviets
true. they just lack the “best heli spaa” part of the combo. I just showed you how america can fight CAS with ease
I recognize it as a poor choice against jets, and the best spaa against helicopters
isnt the abrams mantlet bigger? or at least the same size but more obvious
there are also a bunch of accepted bug reports and documentation to buff abrams,
They can fight helis CAS. I dont know if i would describe it as “with ease” but rather they can do what everyone else can except maybe italy, israel and japan.
The weakest top tier heli by far is the Apache, the only none-FnF heli that is even slightly competitive is the Soviet Helis. Vikhrs is the most pwoerful none FnF AGM in the game currently.
Again, barely. Its so large and slow, you are a free kill the millisecond anyone knows you are there. You barely outrange Vikhrs
i meant like from the spaa role
Thats why its weird
I dont find the adats better then the flarak
Also the lack of auto radar lock is pain
And ofc the pantsir is much faster
getting a kill and a cap is mostly trivial, and spamming fox3s is light work, especially against CAS like su-34 (we’re too busy playing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ravykEih1rE)
agreed. i still think that ka-52s make for better gameplay because the skill ceiling is higher and I am against gameplay automation, though.
good thing you cannot spot the adats without manually scouring every meter of the battlefield with thermals! additionally, ADATS has more armor and is smaller than the pantsir; in the hulldown position it is also more covered- I think i am repeating myself for the fourth time here.
and this isnt something special for just the US/Britain. All nations can do this.
Though the fact we must spawn in a CAP aircraft ot deal with CAS but other nations like the Soviets dont have to is incredibly annoying and unfair.
Its one shot by everything with ease meanwhile Pantsir is just empty air. I’ve seen too many just survive an AGM-65 or Brimstone because reasons.
Its barely smaller and what hull down positions?
Its so slow that it will always be in the spawn points, so it takes seconds to locate unless you have your eyes closed for some reason.
Though you might never see them because no one bothers bringing them. I know I just use the Stormer HVM at top tier over the ADATS. If I even bother playing top tier at all. With 0 competitive MBTs, 0 competitive light tanks/IFVs and no SPAA. Britain doesnt really have any top tier vehicles worth bringing